From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F "white face"... conversions?
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:38:49 +0000 (GMT)
Hi Shannon:
I was talking on the basis of the two
sources I mentioned, if the sources are wrong, I'm
wrong, if the sources are right, I'm right, I talked
about an assumption, not about a certainty.
The strap holders semi-circles lack is one of the well
known external original "white face" features(Rollei
repair manual and Report II photograph caption page
16-384 ), and all the "white faces" that I saw
respecting 100% the specs had 12/24 film counter (the
lever working as you described), a visible switch with
the number 24 in white background and to be more
precise, this visible 220 film counter lever was
provided from the # 2442134 on 1965, before the white
face production .
I could be wrong, but I quoted two cameras that don't
have at least two features corresponding to the
original F "white face" specs.
For example, the following camera is 100% within the
original "white face" specs:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLLEIFLEX-2-8F-Xenotar-80mm-Lens-White-Face-12-24_W0QQitemZ160010032096QQihZ006QQcategoryZ3354QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
or look for the item 160010032096
Note that this camera has the serial number 2,8F
2952374 and has Xenotar lens, the camera in Co.... has
the serial number 2950286 and Planar lens, according
Prochnow the 2.8F was provided only with the Xenotar
lens from 1973 and the # 2950000... and if you want an
example about a 2.8F white face 100% within the
original specs for the "white face" with Planar 2.8/80
lens there is one on eBay right now, it has the
#2478334, lower than the 2.8F in Co... and it has
12/24 film counter and it does not have the
semi-circles in the strap holders..., look for the
item 130010327970 and you'll see this 100% "white
face" Planar being older have evident differences with
the camara at Co... and it's identical except for the
lens regarding the other 2.8F 100% white face Xenotar
I quoted above.
All the best
Carlos
+--- Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> Hi Carlos,
>
> What do you mean by 120/220 film counter? Do you
> mean the 12/24 switch
> instead? AFAIK, all F film counters only go to 12
> and are reset by the 12/24
> switch to 0 to allow for another 12 shots on 220
> film.
>
> And not all white face Rolleiflexes came with a
> 12/24 switch. The example on
> the collectcamera site looks to me to have the
> correct and later F right
> side panel with the space for a 12/24 switch.
>
> As to the semi-circle strap holders, perhaps those
> have been changed at some
> point in time but it also possible that Rollei used
> whatever parts were
> available on hand during manufacture(which may have
> included old spares).
>
> Shannon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [rollei_list] About some F "white face"...
> conversions?
> >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:35:24 +0000 (GMT)
> >
> >According the Rollei Factory Repair Manual and the
> >Rollei Report II from Claus Prochnow, the 12/24
> >120/220 film counter was introduced in the 3.5F and
> >2.8F models on 1965, and the new "white face" front
> >panel on 1970 according that Manual and on 1971
> >according Prochnow ( it appeared in some list
> prices
> >on 1971 and then the slight difference), anyway all
> F
> >"white faces" cameras are provided with 12/24
> 120/220
> >film counter and regarding the 3.5F all "white face
> "
> >cameras are provided with Xenotar 3.5/75 lenses and
> a
> >few 2.8F "white face" cameras were provided with
> >Planar 2.8/80 lenses, afterwards the Xenotar 2.8/80
> >was also used only.
> >Along several years I have seen some "white faces"
> >cameras out of the specifications mentioned above,
> I
> >think these cameras have something strange because
> >most of them also have other features out of specs,
> >i.e. a supposed "white face" 3.5F without 12/24
> film
> >counter and Planar 3.5/75 lens or a 2.8F also
> without
> >12/24 film counter and the semi-circle in the strap
> >holders, etc., then I suspect -only suspect- these
> >strange cameras were "converted" into "white face"
> >cameras using a front cover panel spare part and
> they
> >are sold like "white face" cameras increasing their
> >prices. I have seen some samples again this
> afternoon,
> >I'm not saying that the current seller made the
> >modification, perhaps he believes it's an original
> >"white face" really, but IMO they are not original
> >"white faces", it's a simple assumption of course,
> for
> >example:
>
>http://www.collectcamera.com/pagesrollei/rolleicam/28f286c.htm
> >
> >The "white face" quoted above does not have 12/24
> film
> >counter, it seems to have the Planglass holder in
> the
> >camera body and the strap-holders have
> semi-circles,
> >these features are out of the original 2.8F "white
> >face" specs, it seems to be an older camera with
> newer
> >"white face" front panel cover.
> >Other example, look for the item 200010295772 on
> eBay;
> >this 3.5F "white face" has Planar 3.5/75 lens and
> does
> >not have 12/24 film counter and the photographs
> don't
> >show the camera body without the back to see if it
> is
> >prepared to receive the Planglass; the Planar lens
> and
> >the 12/24 film counter lack are out of specs for an
> >original "white face" model.
> >Conclusion: Be careful buying a "white face"
> camera.-
> >
> >All the best
> >Carlos
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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