[roc-chat] Re: Prospective new member
- From: Richard Dierking <redierking@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:39:38 +0000
I guess it hasn't been long enough, because I still get frustrated when I think
about obtaining a good model and mid-power site. The best possibility is
schools because there's a chance you'll run into people that care about giving
kids new opportunities and experiences. Still, there's always the chance that
you'll run into a bureaucrat. The worst are the ones that will not make a
decision; they'll just wait until you go away or die. If you have someone that
says "no" at least you can ask why and begin to work the problem. At my
previous job, was given the nickname "bulldog." I didn't really appreciate the
name, because perhaps I do look a little like a bulldog :/ but my supervisor
said that once I got a hold of something, it was difficult for me to let go.
So, not meaning to sound too discouraging, but if I give up on something, it's
really difficult. Sometimes, I wish I had the opportunity to sit down with
like-minded people that were willing to find a launch site in the County of
Riverside. But, it would have to be a serious discussion. Richard Dierking To:
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Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Prospective new member
From: David.P.Smith@xxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:06:14 -0800
There once was a Hemet valley rocket club.
The launch site for a long time was
on the Soboba reservation, near the casino. After an incident, the
tribe asked the club to leave.
Then there was, for a while, a launch
site near the mentioned "back" side of Lake Perris at a dairy.
There were some very muddy conditions, and concern by the milker
that the cow's milk production was reduced due to stress caused by the
launch activities.
Eventually the fellow running the club
got fed up and turned exclusively to flying R/C aircraft, which have much
less trouble finding sites.
As for anything within the controlled
airspace of March ARB, forget about it. It is not even worth discussing.
Same for Deer Valley and any other airport. Maybe you could
fly low power, but forget about an FCC waiver.
It would be great to have a local launch
site again, but I haven't heard of anyone having success, of several who
have tried.
David P Smith
NAR 78668, L2
Amateur Extra, W6DPS
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Eric Williams <ericwil76@xxxxxxxx>
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Date:
12/05/2011 01:53 PM
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Location, Location, Location
I do not know of a location to bad. I have
two areas in mind though. One is in Perris, but it is directly below
March AFB landing approach yuck. There is already a RC Place landing strip
there and they have permission from EMWD eastern municipal water district
for use I believe.
The other area is behind Lake Perris, there
is some huge flat open space there but I do not know who owns the land.
Some of the land is farm I imagine. I drive by it weekly big area. Beyond
that I do not know.
Eric
From: Richard
Dierking
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011
1:33 PM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Prospective
new member
Here's the hoop (and it's a fiery hoop),
you must get permission from the landowner. The permission should
be in writing. Then, you need to go to the fire department to obtain
a permit. This can be a city fire department or if it's unincorporated,
the County Fire Department (CFD). If it's a city fire department,
they may also ask for you to get the City's permission.
I've obtained fire permits in Temecula, Murrieta, Lake Elsinore, Hemet,
and a couple CDF permits. The first permit from the City of Temecula
took over one year. I've heard that I am the only person that has
ever obtained a fire permit for a rocket launch in the County of Riverside.
When I got the permit, the Fire Marshall (you know, the fire fighter
with the 9 mil on his hip) told me that if anything went south, he would
be looking for me. So, they're serious about the permit!
The County of Riverside is huge. If enough people got together and
pursued a launch site it might be a go, but don't make a mistake.
Richard
From: ericwil76@xxxxxxxx
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Prospective new member
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:15:45 -0800
I will say this, it would be nice if there
was an HPR site in Riverside county. I can never make the ROC launches
to many family/work obligations on the weekends. It is nice for all the
people that live in the high desert but it sure is a drive and time killer
for me. Just dreaming I guess, maybe a map can be studied and find some
open space out of the way of airline traffic. I do not know all the legal
hoops but if anyone else does feel free to share.
Eric
From: Jason
Nordgren
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011
12:57 PM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Prospective
new member
It's a little bit of a trek from Temecula
(although no where near as long as Lucerne :) ), but you might try Diamond
Valley Lake Community Park (if you haven't already). I launch there individually
on occasion and my son goes to the Western Center Academy at that site
and I believe they do a launch on occasion through the school. I don't
know if they cross all their I's and dot all their T's, but it seems to
indicate that it's at least a possibility. You can get more info at the
Valley Wide Recreation website: www.vwrpd.org
and I can try to get more information from the school principal if you
would like some assistance. If you want to talk about it more off chat,
feel free to email me at jason.nordgren@xxxxxxxxxx
-Jason
On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Richard Dierking
wrote:
Sorry to say, TRG doesn't currently have
a good launch site. I'm continuing to pursue through the City of
Temecula, but didn't have any luck over the summer. I'm conducting
a model rocket workshop for about 30 Cub Scouts next week, and another
workshop at the Temecula Library on Weds, January 11th. It would
sure be nice having a local launch for these kids. Until I find one,
I'm suggesting launching with ROC.
There's teacher at Lakeside High School in Lake Elsinore that might be
planning launches at the school. It's an excellent site. I'll
check to see if they're planning any launches.
Richard
From: jason.nordgren@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Prospective new member
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:35:32 -0800
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks for the correction guys. That's what I get for opening my trap before
I fully researched the topic. :) Still, as Rick and Richard both said,
even if you're not flying HP it's a very good idea.
P.S. Richard, are you still running low
power launches through TRG? I live in Hemet and it would be nice to get
out for a little closer launch every now and again.
On Dec 5, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Richard Dierking
wrote:
Currently, National Association of Rocketry
(NAR) or Tripoli Rocket Association (TRA) membership is not required to
fly at ROC launches, and you don't have to be a member of either organization
to be a ROC member. However, it's true that you obtain insurance
when you join TRA or NAR - so it's a very good idea.
I'm not an insurance agent, but the insurance coverage's for both TRA and
NAR are similar. If you're thinking about joining NAR or TRA, I suggest
visiting their websites and taking a look at the policies and the FAQ's
listed for insurance. The deductibles are different for the two organizations.
There are other benefits of joining NAR or TRA and again I suggest checking
out their websites. Whether to join NAR or TRA comes up frequently,
and some people feel very strongly about one or the other. For me,
I say "join both!" NAR started out in model rocketry, and
is considered the more nurturing of the two organizations. TRA had
its beginnings in high-power and that says a lot.
If you have questions, one of the best place to get answers is at a ROC
launch. We love rocketry and sharing information.
Hope this helps,
Richard Dierking
> Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Prospective
new member
> From: jason.nordgren@xxxxxxxxx
> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:43:55 -0800
> To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Hi Brian. I'm new to the group too and I can say that they're a great
bunch. I did my L1 last month and Rick and Jack especially were of tremendous
help and both of them were very friendly. I had been watching the chat
list for quite a while prior to my launch and attended LDRS an NSL as a
spectator and I've never seen a group more willing to help each other out.
I just paid my daily launch fee last time since I could only make it for
one day, but I plan to "officially" join in January. Come out
this weekend and I'm sure you'll agree it's well worth it.
>
> Cheers and welcome from a fellow newb,
> -Jason
>
> P.S. if you're not yet a member of NAR or Tripoli you can join on
site. It is a requirement to be a member of one of those orgs (for insurance
reasons) before you can fly. You can even join and cert that day if you
want to fly High power.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Brian Morilak <brian.morilak@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> > My name is Brian Morilak and I am brand new to So Cal. I moved
to Apple Valley last weekend to start a new job at SCLA, born and raised
in Ohio. I have buiilt and flown Estes for the last 16 years (usually just
once a year). I assumed that since now I live in a desert, there'd be rocketry
clubs, looks like I was right. I found this one and I'm interested in coming
out to the next launch (this weekend right?). Wondering who I should introduce
myself to out there in regard to membership.
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