Kind of confused now, are we speaking of upgrading an x64 capable system
and
installing an x64 OS? No matter how much memory you have on an x64 system,
for some (not all) x86 applications there might be stability or
performance
issues that might not be noticeable or that might be so. This is due to
the
wow64 protocol which x86 apps have to use to work in the x64 environment.
Let me put it this way: in some cases you are not losing anything that you
had on the 32bit platform, and you aren't gaining any of the benefits of
the
64bit one either because the app is a native x86 app. In other cases
you'll
lose some performance depending on how much translations/interactions the
wow protocol has between the application and the OS. You'll for the most
part however never gain any of the benefits of x64 when using an x86 app.
I
guess what you could do is upgrade to win7 x86 and therefore allow for the
full 4gb memory limit of the platform, which windows vista and 7 both
handle
better than xp. Then when your apps are all x64 compatible or you have
found
replacements, or you just don't have a choice (lol) you can jump on the
x64
wagon... It however all depends on your x86 apps. I can't just say that
all
x86 apps run slower on x64, or that all x64 apps run faster than their x86
counter parts for that matter.
One test that anybody with an x64 system and an x64 version of say
windows7
can perform is run IE x86 and then IE x64 and see the difference of the 2.
IE x64 opens instantly and the pages are a bit faster, by a noticeable
margin. Of course ms has to include IE x86 on the x64 system because
people
can't fully shift to the x64 version since popular plugs such as adobe
flash
are not x64 compatible as of yet... This pattern is seen for many native
x64
apps and their x86 versions running on a native x86 system.
But another thing to consider is that yes, x64 aps require a bit more
memory
to run. For example, windows7 x86 only requires a minimum of 1gb of ram
while windows7 x64 requires 2... I've seen a few other apps that require
more memory in x64 mode than its x86 version, but not sure if it's an ms
thing since they were mostly from them...
HTH, D!J!X!
P.S. Thank God for proofreading and revisions and the people that make
them,
because before I revised this email and added an important f, the sentence
"Of course ms has to include IE x86 on the x64 system because people can't
fully shift to the x64 version since popular plugs such as adobe flash are
not x64 compatible as of yet..."
Would have read:
"Of course ms has to include IE x86 on the x64 system because people can't
fully shit to the x64 version since popular plugs such as adobe flash are
not x64 compatible as of yet..."
Hmmm... Now don't ask me what 64bits and adobe have to do with people
taking
a shit, other than "the tweeting toilet," but I'm just glad I was able to
fix that 1 before it was sent... Just wanted to share that 1 and encourage
all to proofread and revise before they send their emails lol!
-----Original Message-----
From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:22 AM
To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Hello From D!J!X!
Hey D!J!X!
Just want to make sure I've got this right.
You're saying if I upgrade an existing system; that is to say, no hardware
upgrades other than adding more memory, any 32 bit app's are actually
going
to slow down a bit? Well, I guess the first thing I have to do is see if
it's really practical. That is, how many of the app's I use offer native
64
bit versions.
Tom
----- Original Message ----- From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Wow, "The real nut cruncher" LMAO! Good way to start the day...
I want to upgrade to sonar8.5 to see what the new access bridge is all
about, to find out as I was mentioning over on the Jsonar list, wil sonar
make 32bit plugs appear to be native x64 apps/processes to windows, or
will
they just run inside sonar x64 as 32bit apps/processes and use the wow64
protocol to communicate with windows/drivers/the hardware, it will make a
difference in performance, maybe not noticeable or big, but it'll add up
eventually I think...
You're right, time to let go of the old treasures, unless sonar as I was
speculating runs them as native x64 apps to the OS instead of x86,
thereby
given the plugs direct access to the drivers and hardware... I'd hate to
have to let go of stuff like fm7 and absynth along with VSampler and
reason,
so I'm hoping sonar can do something in the meantime, while I find x64
compatible replacements; running x86 (32bit) apps on an x64 OS, while
doable, they run a bit slower then as if they were running on the native
x86
platform, I believe it's due to the wow64 protocol and all the
translations
it needs to do to make the x86 software compatible to the x64
architecture,
so it's best to run all x64 apps on an x64 OS to truly get the real
experience. On some of the workstations I was putting together recently
for
example, the way those native x64 apps launched and performed, man! It
might
have to do with the fact that these were 4gb+ systems, but even jaws was
almost instant! Besides that however I didn't notice any other
improvements
to the x64 edition of theShark11.0 in terms of stability, it's actually
really bad or worst...
So here's hoping for some miracle that 32bit plugs will appear as x64 to
the
OS (which = better speed than if the OS had to translate the 32bit to
64),
or that companies like steinberg native instruments and musiclab would
update some of their more popular plugs to be x64 compatible (highly
doubt
it)
End of rant, D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:48 AM
To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Hello From D!J!X!
Hey Tom, sonar has been 64 bit since version 5.
The real nut cruncher is letting all the plug-ins catch up, especially
third
party ones, many of our favs just won't work in 64 bit.
Especially the dxi ones.
I understand my favorite synth hypersonic2 won't work in 64 bit yet.
But they'll get there, but what you bet lots of good stuff especially
stuff
that worked for us will be orphaned.
At 08:48 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote:
Hey D!J!X!
Welcome aboard.
First question. Is Sonar 8 ready for 64 bit processing or does it
require a special 64 bit version. I'm just asking because you
mentioned it and I'm too lazy to look in the manual right now. Grin.
Also, the thought of upgrading to Windows 7 64 bit on one of my
systems is rolling around in the back of my head.
Thanks,
Tom
----- Original Message ----- From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Hello guys, not sure who's on here and who's not, just wanted to say
hello
and let you know that I'm onboard and will be as long as this doesn't
turn
to midimag part 2 lol...
For those who don't know me, D!J!X! is what i go by, real name is
Xavier,
here to help in whatever i can... DJX Studios excells in anything from
website and graphic design to music production to building/repairing
computers and workstations! So feel free to pick my brain and i'll do my
best to help!
Speaking of building computers, after leaving midimag and having time to
then do some real work :-), I had the pleasure of putting together and
configuring a daw for a client using the i7 920 processor and the x58
chipset on windows7 x64, man! What a joy to see sonar x64 run on that
thing!!! Can't wait to put 1 together for myself...
So yea, hello, hi, D!J!X! is here! lol... Looking forward to interacting
with the family again... O yea, THX Chris and your wife for finding us
(real
peoples) another home... Glad to know that I'll be able to enjoy and
learn
from Tom's informative posts once again... :-)
Regards, D!J!X!
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