That advantage of announcing the indent levels in EdSharp is very
insignificant because Jaws can be configured to do that in all editors.
Control+F2, Settings Center, type "indent" in the search field, arrow
down, press space to check "say indented characters" check box.
The difference between using a non-unicode aware editor and Windows
Notepad, is that Notepad supports Unicode, so it can save the text
correctly.
Even in America there are cities names and person names that contain
special chars that may be used. They may be copied from another
source, like a web page, and if the editor doesn't support Unicode,
those chars will be replaced with question marks or other incorrect
chars when they are pasted in the editor.
It is a good idea to give simple English names to variables and
functions and not use diacritics, but sometimes the programmers might
need to use special chars in strings, or in regular expressions
because it would be more simple than to use the Unicode code for those
special chars. But they won't be able to do that if they'd use an
Unicode non-aware editor.
And the blind programmers may need to use the source code created by
others, for learning, for improving it or if they work in a team. And
if others used some Unicode chars in their source, they will be
replaced with question marks if the source code will be loaded in an
editor that can't support Unicode.
So I think it is not a good idea to promote an editor with so many
"disabilities" like EdSharp. :-)
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jeffrey Turner <mailto:jturner522@xxxxxxxxx>
*To:* pythonvis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pythonvis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 06, 2014 5:02 PM
*Subject:* [pythonvis] Re: Text editors
Hello Zahari,
Thank you for your comments about text editors. Can you clarify
one point for me?
As beginners (some of us Jaws users), the EdSharp editor has some
significant advantages for us, like announcing indent levels
automatically as we arrow up and down through the lines of code. I
can see the drawback of not having Unicode included, but as a
beginner, I have no aspiration to have anything I write translated
into other languages. In the event that this is a requirement
someday down the line though, what is keeping someone from taking
my code, and editing it using an editor that does support Unicode?
Why would this be any different from someone taking a *.txt file
created in Notepad and modifying it using Word or any other editor?
It seems like the lack of Unicode support is not relevant to the
needs of many of us. Am I missing something here?
JDog
*From:*pythonvis-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pythonvis-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Zahari Yurukov
*Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2014 9:07 PM
*To:* pythonvis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [pythonvis] Re: Text editors
Hi,
I very much appreciate this initiative and I'm reading your
letters with big interest.
I have some experiance with PHP, and very little knowledge in
Python, but I want to learn and to share that what I've learned
with others.
I think that Unicode support is essential for a text editor these
days.
Even if you are an English speaker, you probably will want your
program to be translated in other languages some day. And I can
assure you, that dealing with different encodings is a hell.
Unicode contains not only different alphabets, but many other
symbols, too.
So you would like your program to be written in unicode, and
that's why you need a unicode editor.
It is very disturbing that the developer of EdSharp refuses to
include unicode support.
Also, wouldn't it be harder for a beginner to remember hundrets of
keystrokes, instead of using standard text navigation and
manipulation commands?
I personally prefer Notepad++ for everything, but I'm NVDA user.
For JAWS users, why don't you try UltraEdit. I havn't use JAWS for
many years now, but I think it should be accessible, though I
can't guarantee (just an idea).
P.S. M$ Notepad is the worst text editor ever - please don't use
it, grin.
Best wishes,
Zahari
На 27.04.2014 17:30, Richard Dinger написа:
You should use a text editor to write programs. Word
processing programs like M$ Word or Wordpad do not work well
because they include extra display and format information that
will only confuse the Python compiler. This is true for any
programming language, not just Python.
There is an endless debate among programmers about which is
the best language and another endless debate over which is the
best text editor. You must select the editor you will use,
based on your own preferences.
Here is a list of text editors that I have seen recommended by
visually impaired programmers:
- M$ Notepad (bare bones editor comes with windows)
- Notepad++ (free download many advanced features)
- Notepad2 (free download many advanced features)
- Textpad (not free many advanced features)
- EdSharp (free download many advanced features very blind
friendly)
The Notepad editor that comes with windows is bare bones, but
I used it for many years just because it was simple and easy
to use. One drawback is that Notepad is not “language aware” ,
that is it has no Python specific features or the ability to
run the script being edited.
I think the others listed above all have some language
specific features, but I am not knowledgeable enough to list
them here. Read through their respective websites to get more
details.
The EdSharp editor is recommended on our web page, but is not
required. EdSharp can be configured for Python and can run
scripts from within the editor. There are several Python
specific features that will make your study of Python a little
easier.
Richard
