Dear Dave and Bill, A good departure of thought, gentlemen, and an interesting journey. The question of " valuable consideration " is indeed somewhat vague even in the Copyright Council publication. I suspect getting official legal opinion passed upon it would be so expensive as to render the whole exercise impossible. " Published " seems to be better defined, though in these days of scanners and the net and people who know what they are doing ( as opposed to me....) control or monitoring of that publication might be impossible. The " valuable consideration " part also touches upon a philosophical point I put forward to other photographers here in Perth. A discussion arose centered on the costs of photography, and the projected saving for someone contemplating buying a digital camera. You all have your own opinions and figures to support these but I put forward that I felt the cost of the camera, scanner, film, chemicals, computer, paper, and printer was the least expense involved - even in high-end work. Admittedly this was before I looked at the cost of a P25 back for a Hasselblad..... But back to the discussion. I said that the most expensive part of the whole procedure was the time of your life involved in the process. Shoot, develop, manipulate, print - whatever - it is minutes that you spend but cannot get back. You can only be paid for them, either in joy or cash. Thus one might also argue that the models are trading part of their lives for the picture - a valuable consideration indeed - and this might establish that legal link that makes a type of contract. But could it also be said that there is a fair trade of my life time for their life time.... no-one's blood is redder than anyone else's...and the pictures, print, images, whatever are a separate issue that can be deal with in monetary terms. I think I am going to go with this thought. Thanks muchly to all who have replied on this thread - it has helped me to clarify my thoughts. I have taken the practical step of purchasing a self-compositor stamp and am experimenting with stamping dire warnings on the back of prints. So far the ink is smearing but if I confine the stamp to the manila envelope that I deliver the print in it should still be seen. Uncle Dick ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.