Ryuji, It's OK, I was only giving some historical background in answer to Richard's post, not extolling Atomal's virtues. As far as my original question goes, I would just like to satisfy my curiosity. I'm definitely not expecting to produce anything to match a well-formulated modern developer, and wouldn't even think of trying. Part of my curiosity is 'I wonder if anyone still makes N-hydroxyethyl o-aminophenol these days?'. I think that if I wanted to do serious investigations, and if I was capable of doing them, I would look at some of the recent colour developers as well. The aim would be to optimise the film/developer combination for scanning, tailoring it for the limitations and benefits of the scanning process and the capabilities of digital post-processing. In sixty years somebody will say "Still photographers had little idea about film as an origination medium for digital intermediate processes back then; it's a wonder that film survived." Maybe I should have added to my brief history something along the lines of: "Though introduced in about 1935, N-hydroxyethyl o-aminophenol is rarely mentioned in literature on developing agents. There's likely to be a good reason for this." Best, Helen ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.