[pure-silver] Re: Angry Monologue aginst Deception in the Sensitized Material Industry
- From: <C.Breukel@xxxxxxx>
- To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:04:34 +0200
See good post on it by Denis on the ARISTA paper. Regarding film: ARISTA
used to be Ilford, I still use it happily. Than after Ilford quited
selling stuff under other names Arista became Arista II (?) and that was
AGFA stock, than it became I believe Arista.edu (?) , which was
remaining Forter, and now they are selling Foma..
Good luck..;-)...
Best,
Cor
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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Angry Monologue aginst Deception in the
Sensitized Material Industry
Most all of ARISTA's consumables are just repackedged products, their
films are just repackaged FP4, HP5, etc
On 4/1/08, Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ray Rogers <earthsoda@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Apr 1, 2008 2:02 AM
>To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [pure-silver] Angry Monologue aginst Deception in the
Sensitized Material Industry
>
>
>--- Bogdan Karasek <bkarasek@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I believe that somebody recently mentioned that that ARISTA paper
sold
>> by FREESTYLE was rebadged (manufactured by) KENTMERE. Can this be
>> confirmed?
>....
>
>You know I am having a hard time today- next doors no-freeze alarm
having gone off and piercing
>all afternoon, so maybe you will excuse my short temper here...
>
>But I for one am sick and tired of Sensitized Material Manufacturers
selling their products* to be
>sold to other companies so that those other "wanna be's" can pretend to
be manufacturers
>themselves...
>
There has been a great deal of this sort of thing for many years.
Agfa, Farinia, Kentmere, Ilford, have all made materials on a custom
basis. I believe that Kodak never has. Ilford announced several years go
that they would discontinue the practice but they still have a custom
department.
I think there is a difference between products sold under
house-brand names such as Freestyle's Arista brand, and materials sold
on the general market as though by a manufacturer. Some of the Eastern
European brands fall into this category (too early in the morning for me
to remember names).
As far as Freestyle goes, they sell materials by several makers
under similar names. Arista and Arista EDU are, in general, not made by
the same manufacturers. One can sometimes make a good guess as to the
actual manufacturer from the country of origin. For instance, Arista EDU
film is not made in England while at least some Arista film is. I am
pretty sure the Arista film is still Ilford but am not sure. I did
actually once get some rolls of 120 Arista that had Ilford sticky tape
on them. Some Arista paper must be Kentmere. Its made in England but
does not seem to be Ilford.
For the most part the film and paper sold by these companies as
custom material is the same as their regular production. The advantages
they claim are a predictable market, lack of need for advertising, and
some saving in packaging.
I agree that one of the reasons for custom marketing may be
excessive production capacity, especially now, but the practice has been
going on for decades so this can not have always been true.
One thing I found out about Kodak several years ago was that some
bargain priced material was gray-market. There _were_ some differences
in quality. For instance, USA made 35mm 36 exposure cassettes had about
40 exposures on them while the gray-market stuff had just about 36
exposures. I talked to someone at Kodak about this at the time and was
told that while the gray-market sales were probably illegal and were
certainly in violation of Kodak contracts the practice was so wide
spread that it was hopeless to fight it. I think the film I bought that
time was color film made in India and meant for the Asian market. This
may have been a result of Kodak's refusal to sell on an OEM basis.
I have no idea if Fuji sells custom material. I do wish they sold
their B&W paper in the US, evidently its good stuff, but is sold only in
Japan.
In any case, the trick about understanding the modern world is that
its all about money and nothing else.
Your's richly, AKA Scrooge McDuck
--
Richard Knoppow
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Los Angeles, CA, USA
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