[pure-silver] Re: Angry Monologue aginst Deception in the Sensitized Material Industry
- From: "Jason McPeak" <mcpeak.jason@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:24:05 -0500
Most all of ARISTA's consumables are just repackedged products, their films
are just repackaged FP4, HP5, etc
On 4/1/08, Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Ray Rogers <earthsoda@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Apr 1, 2008 2:02 AM
> >To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [pure-silver] Angry Monologue aginst Deception in the Sensitized
> Material Industry
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> >--- Bogdan Karasek <bkarasek@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I believe that somebody recently mentioned that that ARISTA paper sold
> >> by FREESTYLE was rebadged (manufactured by) KENTMERE. Can this be
> >> confirmed?
> >....
> >
> >You know I am having a hard time today- next doors no-freeze alarm having
> gone off and piercing
> >all afternoon, so maybe you will excuse my short temper here...
> >
> >But I for one am sick and tired of Sensitized Material Manufacturers
> selling their products* to be
> >sold to other companies so that those other "wanna be's" can pretend to
> be manufacturers
> >themselves...
> >
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> There has been a great deal of this sort of thing for many years.
> Agfa, Farinia, Kentmere, Ilford, have all made materials on a custom basis.
> I believe that Kodak never has. Ilford announced several years go that they
> would discontinue the practice but they still have a custom department.
> I think there is a difference between products sold under house-brand
> names such as Freestyle's Arista brand, and materials sold on the general
> market as though by a manufacturer. Some of the Eastern European brands fall
> into this category (too early in the morning for me to remember names).
> As far as Freestyle goes, they sell materials by several makers under
> similar names. Arista and Arista EDU are, in general, not made by the same
> manufacturers. One can sometimes make a good guess as to the actual
> manufacturer from the country of origin. For instance, Arista EDU film is
> not made in England while at least some Arista film is. I am pretty sure the
> Arista film is still Ilford but am not sure. I did actually once get some
> rolls of 120 Arista that had Ilford sticky tape on them. Some Arista paper
> must be Kentmere. Its made in England but does not seem to be Ilford.
> For the most part the film and paper sold by these companies as
> custom material is the same as their regular production. The advantages they
> claim are a predictable market, lack of need for advertising, and some
> saving in packaging.
> I agree that one of the reasons for custom marketing may be excessive
> production capacity, especially now, but the practice has been going on for
> decades so this can not have always been true.
> One thing I found out about Kodak several years ago was that some
> bargain priced material was gray-market. There _were_ some differences in
> quality. For instance, USA made 35mm 36 exposure cassettes had about 40
> exposures on them while the gray-market stuff had just about 36 exposures. I
> talked to someone at Kodak about this at the time and was told that while
> the gray-market sales were probably illegal and were certainly in violation
> of Kodak contracts the practice was so wide spread that it was hopeless to
> fight it. I think the film I bought that time was color film made in India
> and meant for the Asian market. This may have been a result of Kodak's
> refusal to sell on an OEM basis.
> I have no idea if Fuji sells custom material. I do wish they sold
> their B&W paper in the US, evidently its good stuff, but is sold only in
> Japan.
> In any case, the trick about understanding the modern world is that
> its all about money and nothing else.
> Your's richly, AKA Scrooge McDuck
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> --
> Richard Knoppow
> dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Los Angeles, CA, USA
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