RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
- From: "Cuthbertson, Jamie" <Jamie.Cuthbertson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:21:41 +0100
Daveed,
When recording on a CF card as you say you do, you can mark the portions
of the audio, using the heading or page keys during recording, so that
you can go back to them later, but this will only be a feature that you
can access if you are playing back the DAISY version of the recording.
No new audio file is created when either of these keys is pressed during
recording.
If you lift the audio file off the CF card into an editing software,
there will be no reference to the locations that you marked with the
heading or page keys during recording.
Although I cannot confirm it at present, it might be possible that, if
you were recording onto a blank Music CD, the heading key might generate
a new audio file. Having said that, I am certain that you cannot edit
files on a Music CD and you would have to edit them in a software
package anyway.
Perhaps someone out there could confirm if this is the case or not.
Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daveed Mandell
Sent: Fri, 06 October 2006 14:01
To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
Still confused. I have to mark the portions or passages I think I
will be using in my reports as I record. Would that be possible on
the PTR2? I have been lead to believe that when one presses at least
the Heading Key, a new file results. Can one vaerify that, as I
don't yet have a PTR2, and my PTR1 never worked correctly in many
respects. I had a lot of trouble with it; it was defecive from the
get-go, but the dealer refused to replace it.
--Daveed--At 05:43 AM 10/6/2006, you wrote:
>Daveed,
>
>As far as I am aware, this is not the case. Each time you press the
>heading or page key when still recording, this is simply noting a
timing
>marker to tell the DAISY system where the start of a section or page is
>to be - it does not generate a new audio file. You will, however, get
a
>new audio file if you stop recording and then start a new recording.
>
>As I am not a radio journalist, I can't comment on whether the PTR2 is
>or is not an appropriate tool but you are correct in your understanding
>of what I was saying about what happens to the underlying audio files
>when you edit on the PTR2. That is why I was suggesting that one would
>be best to do any editing on a PC if the audio files are to be used
away
>from the DAISY original recording.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Jamie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daveed Mandell
>Sent: Thu, 05 October 2006 08:04
>To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
>
>Jamie:At 08:17 AM 10/4/2006, you wrote:
>
>
>
>
> >Please clarify. Let's say I attend a press conference and record in
> >PCM format at a sampling rate of 44.1. I use the Heading key to
> >mark various passages that might be potential sound bites for my
> >radio news feature. I was lead to believe that each resulting
> >section becomes a separte .wav file in the PTR2, or rather, in my
> >case, on the CF card. If this is so, can one also use the Page key
> >with similar results? I would denote each speaker using the Heading
> >key, and mark possible sound bites by each speaker with the Page
> >key. Is this do-able?
>
>
>Are you saying that when one cuts or joins sections or phrases in
>recorded files on the PTR2, there is no change in the underlying .wav
>(or MP3) files? Would the PTR2, therefore, be impractical for a
>blind radio journalist?
>
>I gather, also, that it is not possible to time a section or page,
>but only either a Daisy title or a full CF card or CD. If so, that's
>really too bad. Given the inaccessibility of most CF recorders, I
>had hoped to be able to use the PTR2 instead of my minidisc
>recorder--which now forces me to dub all material in real time before
>editing it on the computer. I believe while some people may feel
>comfortable with memorizing menus, I resent having to muddle through
>using conventional CF recorders, while my sighted colleagues have all
>kinds of features at their disposal. That's why I was hoping to be
>able to take advantage of some of the PTR2's features, despite the
>fact that it is primarily a Daisy recorder.
>
>Comments welcome from anyone on the list.
>
>--Thanks so much in advance.
>
>--Daveed--
>
> >Judy,
> >
> >Essentially if you use a blank data CD in your Plextalk or you are
> >recording to the CF card, you will end up with a DAISY recording.
You
> >cannot record to a CD or CF card and end up with a purely MP3
recording
> >- it will always have DAISY files generated in addition to the audio
> >files. If you use a blank audio CD, you will end up with a standard
> >audio CD which you can use in the same manner that you could use a
> >purchased music CD. Remember, for all CDs, you will need to finalise
> >the CD prior to being able to access the files on another device.
> >
> >However, if you are recording in a recording mode that is one of the
>MP3
> >formats, you should then be able to access the CD or CF card and
lift
> >the MP3 files into the editing software. You shouldn't need to use
the
> >PRS software.
> >
> >Remember, if you are going to edit audio files from a CD , it will be
> >better to import them into your editing software first and do not try
>to
> >edit them on the PTR2. Editing on the PTR2 only gives the impression
> >that the original files have been edited (by use of the SMIL files to
> >control what is played) and does not alter the actual files on the
CD.
> >The audio files on the CD do not get changed.
> >
> >I hope this makes some sense.
> >
> >Jamie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
> >Sent: Wed, 04 October 2006 15:46
> >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >I have looked at the web site and it's still not clear to me if I can
> >make a
> >normal straight mp3 recording without daisy structure and copy it
from
> >the
> >card into goldWave or Sound Forge without using the plextalk
software.
> >Has
> >anyone tried this with either model?
> >
> >
> >Judy who wwants to use it for broadcast interviews without worrying
> >about
> >daisy marks or structure.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Cuthbertson,
Jamie
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:17 AM
> >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
> >
> >
> >Linda,
> >
> >You can read more about the PTR2 at the following website:
> >
> >http://www.plextalk.com/in/ptr2_top.html
> >
> >In terms of the fast forward and rewind, I don't think that the
speeds
> >are different but I have noticed that you sometimes need to press the
> >key more than once before it starts to respond.
> >
> >I have also pasted below a section from the PTR2 manual that lists
the
> >main differences between the PTR1 and the PTR2:
> >
> >"5.3. Main differences between the PTR1 and PTR2.
> >
> >Below are listed the main differences between the PLEXTALK PTR1 and
the
> >PTR2. This is not an exhaustive list but should give the PTR1 user a
> >good idea of how the two recorders differ.
> >
> >* The PTR2 now has a separate menu key, Separate volume up and
> >down keys and a relocated eject key.
> >* The new PLEXTALK has a modified body shape in durable
plastic.
> >* The recording level, speed and tone control switches have
been
> >moved to the right side of the unit
> >* The power switch has been moved to the right side of the unit
> >and can now be locked with the use of the key lock/key describer
>switch.
> >* The card slot has been moved to the front of the unit under
the
> >CD drive and is now a CF card slot rather than a PCMCIA slot. A CF
>card
> >is provided with the unit.
> >
> >* The microphone socket is now stereo rather than mono.
> >* Automatic gain control (AGC) is now available, if selected,
for
> >use with the external microphone and the Line in options as well as
the
> >built in microphone.
> >* The USB interface with a computer can now be used to directly
> >access the CD drive or the CF card.
> >* The forward and rewind keys can now be used to either skip
> >forward or back by phrases or by 5 second jumps according to the
> >selection made in the menu by the user.
> >* Groups can now be navigated independently or along with all
> >other structure, according to the selection made in the menu by the
> >user.
> >* In Normal mode, after the DAISY book plays to the end, the
next
> >press of the Play key will start the book at the beginning again.
> >* The PTR2 has 2 modes of operation. These are Normal mode and
> >Book Creator mode. Normal mode provides a simplified method of
> >producing a DAISY recording. Book Creator mode gives the user access
>to
> >more advanced editing functions.
> >* In Normal mode, new recordings can only be appended to the
end
> >of the existing recording - no option for insert, punch-in or
overwrite
> >is provided.
> >* In Normal mode, editing options are much simpler with phrase
> >editing removed.
> >* Heading and page markers can now be positioned using 0.1
second
> >adjustments rather than 'attaching' them to specific phrases."
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> >Jamie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Linda Reeder
> >Sent: Tue, 03 October 2006 21:12
> >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
> >
> >The one thing that I was told that is different about PTR 2 is that
the
> >built in mike is in sterio. I would like to know more about this
> >machine before I buy it. I hear that the rewind and fast forward are
> >slower is that true? Linda Reeder
>
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