RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
- From: "George Kerscher" <kerscher@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:04:42 -0600
Hello,
Let us say that you have created a recording of an one hour lecture. You
then pull this into the PRS. You go along and add headings at appropriate
places. The PRS software is, at this point, not touching the audio file, it
is simply inserting these headings into the markup, which is independent of
the audio content.
When you build the book, it does make any changes. However, when you say
create a distribution master, it will process the whole book by removing
edits, and creating a single MP3 or wav file for each heading.
That has been my experience. I also find editing in the PRS to be very
exact, removing coughs, dog barks, etc.
Best
George
the
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daveed Mandell
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:26 AM
> To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
>
>
> George: I'm still confused. First you say when a new heading starts
> it begins a new audio file, then you say the editing is stripped and
> only one file resutls. Let's get this straight, plese, because this
> is of the utmost importance to my work. When I press the Heading
> Key, does that result in starting a new audio file within the Daisy
> structure, or is a new audio file starteed only when starting a new
> title? In my work, Daisy structure is really more of a burden and
> problem than not. I just want the plain .pcm or .mp3 files that are
> buried within the Daisy structure. If a new heading does not
> effectively divide the audio file into two--that is, start a new
> file, it is unforutnate that the Heading, Page and Group markers do
> not provide marks in those files that can be detected by Sound Forge
> or other editing program.
>
> Thanks very much for your clarifications.
> --Daveed--At 07:02 AM 10/6/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Dear All,
> >
> >1. The PTR1 and PTR2 implement the DAISY Standard using their own
> >conventions. So the creation of files is left up to the implementer.
> >
> >2. When I use my PTR1, I normally move the project to my
> computer and use
> >the PRS software to make edits.
> >
> >3. When I build a book, wherever I have a heading becomes
> the start of a new
> >audio file. I know the edits remain in the MP3 file, but
> when preparing a
> >distribution master, or if I import a DAISY book, all the
> edits get stripped
> >out.
> >
> >So, it has been my experience that the data from one heading to the
> >beginning of the next becomes a single audio file.
> >
> >Best
> >George
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Daveed Mandell
> > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:34 AM
> > > To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I am not using music CDs so that idea is irrelevant
> for me. I
> > > guess this unit cannot be used by journalists practically
> then. I
> > > had hoped the Heading key would at least create a new file. That
> > > would mean I would be forced to dub in real time the
> material to the
> > > computer. Oh well. Many thanks. That's bad news indeed for
> > > me at least!
> > > --Daveed--At 06:21 AM 10/6/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Daveed,
> > > >
> > > >When recording on a CF card as you say you do, you can mark
> > > the portions
> > > >of the audio, using the heading or page keys during
> > > recording, so that
> > > >you can go back to them later, but this will only be a
> > > feature that you
> > > >can access if you are playing back the DAISY version of the
> > > recording.
> > > >No new audio file is created when either of these keys is
> > > pressed during
> > > >recording.
> > > >
> > > >If you lift the audio file off the CF card into an
> editing software,
> > > >there will be no reference to the locations that you
> marked with the
> > > >heading or page keys during recording.
> > > >
> > > >Although I cannot confirm it at present, it might be
> > > possible that, if
> > > >you were recording onto a blank Music CD, the heading key
> > > might generate
> > > >a new audio file. Having said that, I am certain that you
> > > cannot edit
> > > >files on a Music CD and you would have to edit them in a software
> > > >package anyway.
> > > >
> > > >Perhaps someone out there could confirm if this is the
> case or not.
> > > >
> > > >Jamie
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Daveed Mandell
> > > >Sent: Fri, 06 October 2006 14:01
> > > >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not
> available on PTR2
> > > >
> > > >Still confused. I have to mark the portions or passages
> I think I
> > > >will be using in my reports as I record. Would that be
> possible on
> > > >the PTR2? I have been lead to believe that when one
> presses at least
> > > >the Heading Key, a new file results. Can one vaerify that, as I
> > > >don't yet have a PTR2, and my PTR1 never worked correctly in many
> > > >respects. I had a lot of trouble with it; it was
> defecive from the
> > > >get-go, but the dealer refused to replace it.
> > > >--Daveed--At 05:43 AM 10/6/2006, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Daveed,
> > > > >
> > > > >As far as I am aware, this is not the case. Each time you
> > > press the
> > > > >heading or page key when still recording, this is
> simply noting a
> > > >timing
> > > > >marker to tell the DAISY system where the start of a
> > > section or page is
> > > > >to be - it does not generate a new audio file. You will,
> > > however, get
> > > >a
> > > > >new audio file if you stop recording and then start a new
> > > recording.
> > > > >
> > > > >As I am not a radio journalist, I can't comment on whether
> > > the PTR2 is
> > > > >or is not an appropriate tool but you are correct in your
> > > understanding
> > > > >of what I was saying about what happens to the underlying
> > > audio files
> > > > >when you edit on the PTR2. That is why I was suggesting
> > > that one would
> > > > >be best to do any editing on a PC if the audio files
> are to be used
> > > >away
> > > > >from the DAISY original recording.
> > > > >
> > > > >Hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > >Jamie
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > > Daveed Mandell
> > > > >Sent: Thu, 05 October 2006 08:04
> > > > >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not
> available on PTR2
> > > > >
> > > > >Jamie:At 08:17 AM 10/4/2006, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Please clarify. Let's say I attend a press conference
> > > and record in
> > > > > >PCM format at a sampling rate of 44.1. I use the
> Heading key to
> > > > > >mark various passages that might be potential sound
> bites for my
> > > > > >radio news feature. I was lead to believe that each
> resulting
> > > > > >section becomes a separte .wav file in the PTR2, or
> rather, in my
> > > > > >case, on the CF card. If this is so, can one also use
> > > the Page key
> > > > > >with similar results? I would denote each speaker using
> > > the Heading
> > > > > >key, and mark possible sound bites by each speaker
> with the Page
> > > > > >key. Is this do-able?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Are you saying that when one cuts or joins sections or
> phrases in
> > > > >recorded files on the PTR2, there is no change in the
> > > underlying .wav
> > > > >(or MP3) files? Would the PTR2, therefore, be
> impractical for a
> > > > >blind radio journalist?
> > > > >
> > > > >I gather, also, that it is not possible to time a
> section or page,
> > > > >but only either a Daisy title or a full CF card or CD. If
> > > so, that's
> > > > >really too bad. Given the inaccessibility of most CF
> recorders, I
> > > > >had hoped to be able to use the PTR2 instead of my minidisc
> > > > >recorder--which now forces me to dub all material in real
> > > time before
> > > > >editing it on the computer. I believe while some
> people may feel
> > > > >comfortable with memorizing menus, I resent having to
> > > muddle through
> > > > >using conventional CF recorders, while my sighted
> > > colleagues have all
> > > > >kinds of features at their disposal. That's why I was
> hoping to be
> > > > >able to take advantage of some of the PTR2's features,
> despite the
> > > > >fact that it is primarily a Daisy recorder.
> > > > >
> > > > >Comments welcome from anyone on the list.
> > > > >
> > > > >--Thanks so much in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > >--Daveed--
> > > > >
> > > > > >Judy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Essentially if you use a blank data CD in your Plextalk
> > > or you are
> > > > > >recording to the CF card, you will end up with a
> DAISY recording.
> > > >You
> > > > > >cannot record to a CD or CF card and end up with a purely MP3
> > > >recording
> > > > > >- it will always have DAISY files generated in addition
> > > to the audio
> > > > > >files. If you use a blank audio CD, you will end up
> > > with a standard
> > > > > >audio CD which you can use in the same manner that you
> > > could use a
> > > > > >purchased music CD. Remember, for all CDs, you will
> > > need to finalise
> > > > > >the CD prior to being able to access the files on
> another device.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >However, if you are recording in a recording mode that
> > > is one of the
> > > > >MP3
> > > > > >formats, you should then be able to access the CD or
> CF card and
> > > >lift
> > > > > >the MP3 files into the editing software. You shouldn't
> > > need to use
> > > >the
> > > > > >PRS software.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Remember, if you are going to edit audio files from a CD
> > > , it will be
> > > > > >better to import them into your editing software first
> > > and do not try
> > > > >to
> > > > > >edit them on the PTR2. Editing on the PTR2 only gives
> > > the impression
> > > > > >that the original files have been edited (by use of the
> > > SMIL files to
> > > > > >control what is played) and does not alter the actual
> > > files on the
> > > >CD.
> > > > > >The audio files on the CD do not get changed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I hope this makes some sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Jamie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
> > > > > >Sent: Wed, 04 October 2006 15:46
> > > > > >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not
> > > available on PTR2
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I have looked at the web site and it's still not clear
> > > to me if I can
> > > > > >make a
> > > > > >normal straight mp3 recording without daisy
> structure and copy it
> > > >from
> > > > > >the
> > > > > >card into goldWave or Sound Forge without using the plextalk
> > > >software.
> > > > > >Has
> > > > > >anyone tried this with either model?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Judy who wwants to use it for broadcast interviews
> > > without worrying
> > > > > >about
> > > > > >daisy marks or structure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> Cuthbertson,
> > > >Jamie
> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:17 AM
> > > > > >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not
> > > available on PTR2
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Linda,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >You can read more about the PTR2 at the following website:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >http://www.plextalk.com/in/ptr2_top.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In terms of the fast forward and rewind, I don't
> think that the
> > > >speeds
> > > > > >are different but I have noticed that you sometimes need
> > > to press the
> > > > > >key more than once before it starts to respond.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I have also pasted below a section from the PTR2 manual
> > > that lists
> > > >the
> > > > > >main differences between the PTR1 and the PTR2:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"5.3. Main differences between the PTR1 and PTR2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Below are listed the main differences between the
> > > PLEXTALK PTR1 and
> > > >the
> > > > > >PTR2. This is not an exhaustive list but should give
> > > the PTR1 user a
> > > > > >good idea of how the two recorders differ.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >* The PTR2 now has a separate menu key, Separate
> > > volume up and
> > > > > >down keys and a relocated eject key.
> > > > > >* The new PLEXTALK has a modified body shape in durable
> > > >plastic.
> > > > > >* The recording level, speed and tone control
> switches have
> > > >been
> > > > > >moved to the right side of the unit
> > > > > >* The power switch has been moved to the right
> > > side of the unit
> > > > > >and can now be locked with the use of the key
> lock/key describer
> > > > >switch.
> > > > > >* The card slot has been moved to the front of the
> > > unit under
> > > >the
> > > > > >CD drive and is now a CF card slot rather than a PCMCIA
> > > slot. A CF
> > > > >card
> > > > > >is provided with the unit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >* The microphone socket is now stereo rather than mono.
> > > > > >* Automatic gain control (AGC) is now available,
> > > if selected,
> > > >for
> > > > > >use with the external microphone and the Line in options
> > > as well as
> > > >the
> > > > > >built in microphone.
> > > > > >* The USB interface with a computer can now be
> > > used to directly
> > > > > >access the CD drive or the CF card.
> > > > > >* The forward and rewind keys can now be used to
> > > either skip
> > > > > >forward or back by phrases or by 5 second jumps
> according to the
> > > > > >selection made in the menu by the user.
> > > > > >* Groups can now be navigated independently or
> > > along with all
> > > > > >other structure, according to the selection made in the
> > > menu by the
> > > > > >user.
> > > > > >* In Normal mode, after the DAISY book plays to
> > > the end, the
> > > >next
> > > > > >press of the Play key will start the book at the
> beginning again.
> > > > > >* The PTR2 has 2 modes of operation. These are
> > > Normal mode and
> > > > > >Book Creator mode. Normal mode provides a
> simplified method of
> > > > > >producing a DAISY recording. Book Creator mode gives
> > > the user access
> > > > >to
> > > > > >more advanced editing functions.
> > > > > >* In Normal mode, new recordings can only be
> > > appended to the
> > > >end
> > > > > >of the existing recording - no option for insert, punch-in or
> > > >overwrite
> > > > > >is provided.
> > > > > >* In Normal mode, editing options are much simpler
> > > with phrase
> > > > > >editing removed.
> > > > > >* Heading and page markers can now be
> positioned using 0.1
> > > >second
> > > > > >adjustments rather than 'attaching' them to specific
> phrases."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Jamie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > > Linda Reeder
> > > > > >Sent: Tue, 03 October 2006 21:12
> > > > > >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not
> > > available on PTR2
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The one thing that I was told that is different about
> > > PTR 2 is that
> > > >the
> > > > > >built in mike is in sterio. I would like to know
> more about this
> > > > > >machine before I buy it. I hear that the rewind and
> > > fast forward are
> > > > > >slower is that true? Linda Reeder
> > > > >
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> > > >and any attachments from your system.
> > > >
> > > >RNIB endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments
> > > generated by
> > > >its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants.
> However, it
> > > >cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are
> transmitted.
> > > >We therefore recommend you scan all attachments.
> > > >
> > > >Please note that the statements and views expressed in
> this email and
> > > >any attachments are those of the author and do not
> > > necessarily represent
> > > >those of RNIB.
> > > >
> > > >RNIB Registered Charity Number: 226227
> > > >
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> > > >--
> > > >No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > >Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release
> > > Date: 10/5/2006
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release
> > > Date: 10/5/2006
> > >
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> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release
> Date: 10/6/2006
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release
> Date: 10/6/2006
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