RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
- From: "George Kerscher" <kerscher@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 20:39:36 -0600
Hi,
No, I do not believe that there are IDs that get put into the MP3 files.
They are broken into heading size segments, i.e. individual mp3 files
associated with each heading.
Best
George
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daveed Mandell
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:27 AM
> To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
>
>
> So the editis do show up in the .wave or .mp3 files on the PTR2?
>
> --Daveed--At 07:02 AM 10/6/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Dear All,
> >
> >1. The PTR1 and PTR2 implement the DAISY Standard using their own
> >conventions. So the creation of files is left up to the implementer.
> >
> >2. When I use my PTR1, I normally move the project to my
> computer and use
> >the PRS software to make edits.
> >
> >3. When I build a book, wherever I have a heading becomes
> the start of a new
> >audio file. I know the edits remain in the MP3 file, but
> when preparing a
> >distribution master, or if I import a DAISY book, all the
> edits get stripped
> >out.
> >
> >So, it has been my experience that the data from one heading to the
> >beginning of the next becomes a single audio file.
> >
> >Best
> >George
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Daveed Mandell
> > > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:34 AM
> > > To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I am not using music CDs so that idea is irrelevant
> for me. I
> > > guess this unit cannot be used by journalists practically
> then. I
> > > had hoped the Heading key would at least create a new file. That
> > > would mean I would be forced to dub in real time the
> material to the
> > > computer. Oh well. Many thanks. That's bad news indeed for
> > > me at least!
> > > --Daveed--At 06:21 AM 10/6/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Daveed,
> > > >
> > > >When recording on a CF card as you say you do, you can mark
> > > the portions
> > > >of the audio, using the heading or page keys during
> > > recording, so that
> > > >you can go back to them later, but this will only be a
> > > feature that you
> > > >can access if you are playing back the DAISY version of the
> > > recording.
> > > >No new audio file is created when either of these keys is
> > > pressed during
> > > >recording.
> > > >
> > > >If you lift the audio file off the CF card into an
> editing software,
> > > >there will be no reference to the locations that you
> marked with the
> > > >heading or page keys during recording.
> > > >
> > > >Although I cannot confirm it at present, it might be
> > > possible that, if
> > > >you were recording onto a blank Music CD, the heading key
> > > might generate
> > > >a new audio file. Having said that, I am certain that you
> > > cannot edit
> > > >files on a Music CD and you would have to edit them in a software
> > > >package anyway.
> > > >
> > > >Perhaps someone out there could confirm if this is the
> case or not.
> > > >
> > > >Jamie
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Daveed Mandell
> > > >Sent: Fri, 06 October 2006 14:01
> > > >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not
> available on PTR2
> > > >
> > > >Still confused. I have to mark the portions or passages
> I think I
> > > >will be using in my reports as I record. Would that be
> possible on
> > > >the PTR2? I have been lead to believe that when one
> presses at least
> > > >the Heading Key, a new file results. Can one vaerify that, as I
> > > >don't yet have a PTR2, and my PTR1 never worked correctly in many
> > > >respects. I had a lot of trouble with it; it was
> defecive from the
> > > >get-go, but the dealer refused to replace it.
> > > >--Daveed--At 05:43 AM 10/6/2006, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Daveed,
> > > > >
> > > > >As far as I am aware, this is not the case. Each time you
> > > press the
> > > > >heading or page key when still recording, this is
> simply noting a
> > > >timing
> > > > >marker to tell the DAISY system where the start of a
> > > section or page is
> > > > >to be - it does not generate a new audio file. You will,
> > > however, get
> > > >a
> > > > >new audio file if you stop recording and then start a new
> > > recording.
> > > > >
> > > > >As I am not a radio journalist, I can't comment on whether
> > > the PTR2 is
> > > > >or is not an appropriate tool but you are correct in your
> > > understanding
> > > > >of what I was saying about what happens to the underlying
> > > audio files
> > > > >when you edit on the PTR2. That is why I was suggesting
> > > that one would
> > > > >be best to do any editing on a PC if the audio files
> are to be used
> > > >away
> > > > >from the DAISY original recording.
> > > > >
> > > > >Hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > >Jamie
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > > Daveed Mandell
> > > > >Sent: Thu, 05 October 2006 08:04
> > > > >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not
> available on PTR2
> > > > >
> > > > >Jamie:At 08:17 AM 10/4/2006, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Please clarify. Let's say I attend a press conference
> > > and record in
> > > > > >PCM format at a sampling rate of 44.1. I use the
> Heading key to
> > > > > >mark various passages that might be potential sound
> bites for my
> > > > > >radio news feature. I was lead to believe that each
> resulting
> > > > > >section becomes a separte .wav file in the PTR2, or
> rather, in my
> > > > > >case, on the CF card. If this is so, can one also use
> > > the Page key
> > > > > >with similar results? I would denote each speaker using
> > > the Heading
> > > > > >key, and mark possible sound bites by each speaker
> with the Page
> > > > > >key. Is this do-able?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Are you saying that when one cuts or joins sections or
> phrases in
> > > > >recorded files on the PTR2, there is no change in the
> > > underlying .wav
> > > > >(or MP3) files? Would the PTR2, therefore, be
> impractical for a
> > > > >blind radio journalist?
> > > > >
> > > > >I gather, also, that it is not possible to time a
> section or page,
> > > > >but only either a Daisy title or a full CF card or CD. If
> > > so, that's
> > > > >really too bad. Given the inaccessibility of most CF
> recorders, I
> > > > >had hoped to be able to use the PTR2 instead of my minidisc
> > > > >recorder--which now forces me to dub all material in real
> > > time before
> > > > >editing it on the computer. I believe while some
> people may feel
> > > > >comfortable with memorizing menus, I resent having to
> > > muddle through
> > > > >using conventional CF recorders, while my sighted
> > > colleagues have all
> > > > >kinds of features at their disposal. That's why I was
> hoping to be
> > > > >able to take advantage of some of the PTR2's features,
> despite the
> > > > >fact that it is primarily a Daisy recorder.
> > > > >
> > > > >Comments welcome from anyone on the list.
> > > > >
> > > > >--Thanks so much in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > >--Daveed--
> > > > >
> > > > > >Judy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Essentially if you use a blank data CD in your Plextalk
> > > or you are
> > > > > >recording to the CF card, you will end up with a
> DAISY recording.
> > > >You
> > > > > >cannot record to a CD or CF card and end up with a purely MP3
> > > >recording
> > > > > >- it will always have DAISY files generated in addition
> > > to the audio
> > > > > >files. If you use a blank audio CD, you will end up
> > > with a standard
> > > > > >audio CD which you can use in the same manner that you
> > > could use a
> > > > > >purchased music CD. Remember, for all CDs, you will
> > > need to finalise
> > > > > >the CD prior to being able to access the files on
> another device.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >However, if you are recording in a recording mode that
> > > is one of the
> > > > >MP3
> > > > > >formats, you should then be able to access the CD or
> CF card and
> > > >lift
> > > > > >the MP3 files into the editing software. You shouldn't
> > > need to use
> > > >the
> > > > > >PRS software.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Remember, if you are going to edit audio files from a CD
> > > , it will be
> > > > > >better to import them into your editing software first
> > > and do not try
> > > > >to
> > > > > >edit them on the PTR2. Editing on the PTR2 only gives
> > > the impression
> > > > > >that the original files have been edited (by use of the
> > > SMIL files to
> > > > > >control what is played) and does not alter the actual
> > > files on the
> > > >CD.
> > > > > >The audio files on the CD do not get changed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I hope this makes some sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Jamie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy W
> > > > > >Sent: Wed, 04 October 2006 15:46
> > > > > >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not
> > > available on PTR2
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I have looked at the web site and it's still not clear
> > > to me if I can
> > > > > >make a
> > > > > >normal straight mp3 recording without daisy
> structure and copy it
> > > >from
> > > > > >the
> > > > > >card into goldWave or Sound Forge without using the plextalk
> > > >software.
> > > > > >Has
> > > > > >anyone tried this with either model?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Judy who wwants to use it for broadcast interviews
> > > without worrying
> > > > > >about
> > > > > >daisy marks or structure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> Cuthbertson,
> > > >Jamie
> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:17 AM
> > > > > >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not
> > > available on PTR2
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Linda,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >You can read more about the PTR2 at the following website:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >http://www.plextalk.com/in/ptr2_top.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In terms of the fast forward and rewind, I don't
> think that the
> > > >speeds
> > > > > >are different but I have noticed that you sometimes need
> > > to press the
> > > > > >key more than once before it starts to respond.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I have also pasted below a section from the PTR2 manual
> > > that lists
> > > >the
> > > > > >main differences between the PTR1 and the PTR2:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"5.3. Main differences between the PTR1 and PTR2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Below are listed the main differences between the
> > > PLEXTALK PTR1 and
> > > >the
> > > > > >PTR2. This is not an exhaustive list but should give
> > > the PTR1 user a
> > > > > >good idea of how the two recorders differ.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >* The PTR2 now has a separate menu key, Separate
> > > volume up and
> > > > > >down keys and a relocated eject key.
> > > > > >* The new PLEXTALK has a modified body shape in durable
> > > >plastic.
> > > > > >* The recording level, speed and tone control
> switches have
> > > >been
> > > > > >moved to the right side of the unit
> > > > > >* The power switch has been moved to the right
> > > side of the unit
> > > > > >and can now be locked with the use of the key
> lock/key describer
> > > > >switch.
> > > > > >* The card slot has been moved to the front of the
> > > unit under
> > > >the
> > > > > >CD drive and is now a CF card slot rather than a PCMCIA
> > > slot. A CF
> > > > >card
> > > > > >is provided with the unit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >* The microphone socket is now stereo rather than mono.
> > > > > >* Automatic gain control (AGC) is now available,
> > > if selected,
> > > >for
> > > > > >use with the external microphone and the Line in options
> > > as well as
> > > >the
> > > > > >built in microphone.
> > > > > >* The USB interface with a computer can now be
> > > used to directly
> > > > > >access the CD drive or the CF card.
> > > > > >* The forward and rewind keys can now be used to
> > > either skip
> > > > > >forward or back by phrases or by 5 second jumps
> according to the
> > > > > >selection made in the menu by the user.
> > > > > >* Groups can now be navigated independently or
> > > along with all
> > > > > >other structure, according to the selection made in the
> > > menu by the
> > > > > >user.
> > > > > >* In Normal mode, after the DAISY book plays to
> > > the end, the
> > > >next
> > > > > >press of the Play key will start the book at the
> beginning again.
> > > > > >* The PTR2 has 2 modes of operation. These are
> > > Normal mode and
> > > > > >Book Creator mode. Normal mode provides a
> simplified method of
> > > > > >producing a DAISY recording. Book Creator mode gives
> > > the user access
> > > > >to
> > > > > >more advanced editing functions.
> > > > > >* In Normal mode, new recordings can only be
> > > appended to the
> > > >end
> > > > > >of the existing recording - no option for insert, punch-in or
> > > >overwrite
> > > > > >is provided.
> > > > > >* In Normal mode, editing options are much simpler
> > > with phrase
> > > > > >editing removed.
> > > > > >* Heading and page markers can now be
> positioned using 0.1
> > > >second
> > > > > >adjustments rather than 'attaching' them to specific
> phrases."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Jamie
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > > Linda Reeder
> > > > > >Sent: Tue, 03 October 2006 21:12
> > > > > >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not
> > > available on PTR2
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The one thing that I was told that is different about
> > > PTR 2 is that
> > > >the
> > > > > >built in mike is in sterio. I would like to know
> more about this
> > > > > >machine before I buy it. I hear that the rewind and
> > > fast forward are
> > > > > >slower is that true? Linda Reeder
> > > > >
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> > > >--
> > > >No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > >Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release
> > > Date: 10/5/2006
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release
> > > Date: 10/5/2006
> > >
> > >
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> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release
> Date: 10/6/2006
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>
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> No virus found in this outgoing message.
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> Date: 10/6/2006
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