IMO the thing that needs to be addressed first is that VS2010 Express should get the same UIA support as the full products. I honestly don't get why they don't. Dose somebody know MS's thoughts behind this? Or a link explaining it? Thanx. Jacques On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM, RicksPlace <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > PMy problem is that I use the Express modules. Perhaps if there were a way > to get, or use legally, a copy of Visual Studio I might be interested in > playing around a little to see what it all entails. I know that students of > credited schools get free or low cost copies and there are other situations > where MS has given away copies or sold them at a very low cost. If MS were > to allow registered designers of the interface to use the student version of > their software that might be a low enough cost to make it a viable option > for a home hobbiest on a very limited budget. I would still need to wait for > GW Micro to get out their next version of WindowEyes since the current > version, 7.2, does not support the recent accessibility hooks replacing MSAA > nor the newer internet standards. At that, the new GW scripting model might > give as good of support as the plug-in if all the accessibility features of > VS are accessible via the new UIA hooks for objects and process. Anyway, my > guess is that there would be more folks willing to play with the code if > they could do so without having to lay out cash out of their own pockets or, > at least, lay out a small amount. > For you University students and Industry Professionals, it would be better > to hire a developer to use whatever tools are necessary to make the package > totally accessible in a simple to use and responsive manner. Then you get > professional development with a consistent design, a support person who is > paid to keep things up to date from release to release and likely a phone > number to call and remote sessions for paid or group support of the product > and perhaps VS itself. > . > If you do it for free it would be nice but if you want something of > professional QUALITY it needs to be developed and maintained by either an > established company or by a professional well aquainted with all > accessibility technicals and also with fairly heavy use of the Visual Studio > product line with a screen reader. Both are quite complicated in my opinion > when you dig into the depths of each technical and explore the features > other than the very most basics. That is why I did not fully support the > idea of a free solution at this level, it has allot of holes and potentially > fatel holes as I have seen over the years with other projects that depend on > volunteers. The current JAWS scripts are fairly simple, very simple me > thinks, compared to a full blown combined plugin and scripting solution that > would work well for serious demanding professional environments requiring > DataBase, Internet - Web, various DB, UI and other Designer support, > DeBugging and dynamic visuals for wpf, Silverlight and the other newer > features and more features that I just can't think of off the top of my head > right now. Let's say you manage to get a nice solution and a couple of years > from now, or perhaps one year, MS changes up the IDE, the Designers or other > internal features requiring major changes to code segments. If the folks who > were working on the complex code blocks are no longer available to dedicate > time to the project, well, it would not work for those folks who depend on > it at their University or their Jobs and some may fail their attempts to > continue their education or even lose their jobs because someone at your end > does not have time to keep the code up to date. "Remembering that this code > is for professionals or students who will, hopefully, become professionals > and not hobbiests it makes sense to me to devote dollars into making this > product a product, and or, service of an existing and credable company with > experience in such technicals and a history of quality and the likelyhood of > a continuing feature in the field so the product will continue to be > supported over the next couple of decades without inturruption or problems > from the Blind Community of Professionals depending on the Accessibility > Product to support themselves and their families. Phew! Sorry for the long > post but I wanted to explain why I was not fully behind this idea from the > start. Because of the nature of the VS Product it is geared for > professionals who can afford, or are required for other reasons, to work in > it and, or buy it. > These folks either make money from it's use or their Educational > institutions make money from the students or the State. Therefore, it is > logical to funnel some of that money into a product that will make the > required product, MS VS Studio available to those will benefit from its use. > It is just logical and also correct in my opinion. > Sonar has remained accessible over the years using this approach and > accessibility is likely as though. > Rick USA > .i----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: "Justin Daubenmire" <jdaubenmire@xxxxxxxxx>; < > programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [program-l] CodePlex Jaws VS 2010 AddIn - Come Join Us! > > > > I have noticed a number of negative reactions to Justin's post below. I >> think legitimate issues were raised, but a more constructive approach would >> be to engage in discussion with Justin about what features of the project >> would make you want to join. Through discussion, hopefully enough people >> can agree on something to work on collaboratively. >> >> Jamal >> >> >> On 11/15/2010 7:01 PM, Justin Daubenmire wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I have setup a code plex open source project for programming a vs 2010 >>> addin for the jaws for windows screen reader. >>> >>> All information about the addin and for joining the project is found >>> at the following link: >>> >>> http://jawsvs2010.codeplex.com/ >>> >>> Please pass on the link to any list or person you think would enjoy >>> being part of the team and contributing. >>> >>> I will be on list and available for any questions. I am looking >>> forward to all of us completing this project. >>> >>> Thanks and please let me know if there are any questions! >>> >>> Regards, >>> Justin >>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:program-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ** program-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ** and in the Subject line type >>> ** unsubscribe >>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>> ** immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:program-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>> ** or send a message, to >>> ** program-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>> >>> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > -- Jacques Bosch