I've heard about the games in general and tetris in particular but haven't gotten around to trying any yet. Wrestling with setting up the Emacs Code Browser right now and getting code folding figured out. I'd also like to get a JDE set up. I don't know Java, mind. It will be of absolutely no use to me for a while. However, it represents more power. Emacs makes you feel like one of those old boys with the beer gut, the overgrown yard and tons of cars out back which they tinker with to turn into hot rods. I've got the house, the yard and, yes, the beer gut. I don't have the car but, Emacs appears to be filling that role right now. JDE represents more power. Only thing stopping me is that it wants to install the gnu jdk's and the sun jdk's which might monkey with the gnome java access bridge and it might cause something to break. Trying to capitalize my time as much on coding right now between semesters so, I am rather leery of breaking anything. Otherwise ...
Alex M Ken Perry wrote:
Alex have you tried the emacspeak games its rather weird playing tetris blind but I do like the game of go. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 6:41 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Vinux from Debian 5.0.7? Ok, this got long. Be warned! I got tips for the slow methodicals in here and for your impatient dive-right-in types below that. Yeah, the reference materials out there are pretty sub par and out of date. I wound up just monkeying with it till I got it working. I had to upgrade my e-speak to 1.4, install the libsonic speech libraries to stabilize and speed up the speech properly and then I got it talking right. Installation of emacspeak itself was pretty straightforward. I went to synaptic and enabled the Vinux lucid test repositories where Bill put his customized install that had Espeak as default. I then went to a console and did sudo apt-get install emacspeak. To learn the thing, here's the key: Read the reference materials on using Emacs first. Keep the two separate in your mind in the first stages. Use info emacs in a terminal if you want or find the emacs manual online. The emacspeak user's guide is next on your list. A lot of emacspeak is just a self-voicing wrapper around Emacs. Learn basics of emacs first and you've won half the battle because emacspeak is good about telling you what's going on without any prompting. Also, it worked best when i just dived in and learned by doing. Just knowing how to move around helps. Some quick navigation keys are control v and alt v to scroll forward and back a screen Control n and control p to go to next and previous line Alt f and alt b to go forward and back a word Control f and Control b to go forward and back a character Now, if you are the slow methodical sort, you open up emacspeak by killing speakup with print screen and typing emacspeak at the prompt and can either just scroll down to go through the emacs tutorial and emacs manual or you can type alt x and then type in the word info. This launches you into the Emacs documentation which is quite good. Arrow around a bit. The stuff that starts with asterisks and is spoken with a lower voice is a link on which you can click enter. I'd go through all the newbie tutorials first. Control h controle e launches the emacspeak "quick reference" which is a self-generated file listing all the hotkeys for reading the screen. They are all prefixed with control e or c-e in emacs lingo. All the stuff that startsw with alt is prefixed m for meta so alt x is m-x. Each hotkey list entry is a link you can press to get more info on it. If you are impatient and just want to dive right into code, kill speakup or disable it with speakup+numpad enter and just type this at a prompt in the directory you want to use for your files: emacspeak filename.cpp Emacspeak comes up and has you in a blank text file named filename.cpp and is in emacs cc mode. Emacspeak has been configured to talk differently depending on the particular code element. If you want to monkey with emacspeak more, just remember there's a menu bar you activate with alt ` or f10. Menus are weird though because down arrow behaves like right arrow in windows and you have to press enter on a menu to pull it down. Oh, and to compile your code, you can go into options and compile or type alt x and then shell. Press enter and you are in a terminal inside emacs where commandline compiling can be done. You can leave that terminal up and go back to your code with control x control b and then arrowing till you hear your code's buffer spoken and pres enter. You might also want to tinker with how emacspeak talks. It may drive you nuts otherwise. Here's a quick reference for that: To customize the speech locally, you do: control e d and 1-9 for preset speed (you can just type r and then key in the words per minute rate manualy if you want) Control e d s to stop it from sayign cap this capt that and so forth Control e d C makes it clink with every capital letter (that's a capital c there, btw) control e d p lets you set punctuation to none some or all by typing it to do all this stuff so it applies globally, just type control u before all the local commands. To get out of Emacspeak, type control x control c. Oh and as for killing speakup, don't worry. Speakup is still up in your other virtual consoles. It just kills it or toggles the unprompted speech output (if you used speakup-numpad enter) only for the virtual console you run emacspeak in. Whatever you do, though, don't run emacspeak in gnome or Orca will get mad at you. Hope this helps. Sorry about the idiocincratic order in which I wrote this. Gotta run! Alex M On 12/27/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:What kind of reference did you use for emacspeak? I was looking around and couldn't find anything amazingly useful last i checked, I know a friend was having all sorts of issues with it. On 12/27/2010 2:31 PM, Ken Perry wrote:It depends on the compiler. Most of the time the compilers ignore that sort of thing now. If you run into trouble though you can add a build steptoyour windows machine to convert the files. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:18 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Vinux from Debian 5.0.7? Haven't coded in windows in over a month. I've been using emacspeak. I love it. Especially dig the way the voice changes depending on what it's reading. Comments, functions, that sort of thing. All read differently in c++. Anyone know what would happen if I wrote a source file in Linux, stuck it in my shared folder between it and windows and then compiled it in windows? Would the line feeds and the like break the code? I understand Linux treats them differently. Alex M On 12/27/10, Alex Midence<alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Yeah, it was rough. I have a similar setup to the one you describe. I have Windows xp though. Not windows 7. And, I don't know anything about interactive games. I get hooked on some of that stuff too easily so I stay away. I used to be hooked on muds majorly. Spent 48 hours once going from a level 1 mage to level 51 immortal. I was pretty used up for the rest of the week. I was 19 then. I try that now, I'll be in real bad shape. Alex M On 12/27/10, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:First Vinux is pretty stable. If you get 3.0 or beyond I do have my issues with it but as it goes it is much more stable than previous attempts. My question to you is what is your reasoning to wanting to go with Debion. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerneels Roos Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 6:15 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Vinux from Debian 5.0.7? Hi list, Does anyone know if there exists a list of packages and modifications, and notes on how to make the mods which one could apply to gain thesameaccessibility found on Vinux but on a Debian stable distribution? I would prefer to run Debian rather than Vinux. I also understand it is possible to transform an Ubuntu system to a Vinux system by installing something like vinux-lucid (is this also available for the latest 10.10 Ubuntu named maverick)? Thanks in advance. -- Kerneels Roos Cell: +27 (0)82 309 1998 Skype: cornelis.roos "There are only two kinds of programming languages in the world; those everyone complains about, and those nobody uses." __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind-- Thanks, Ty __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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