Re: Vinux from Debian 5.0.7?
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:11:34 -0600
Oh, goodness no! I usually have Orca running in a Gnome session,
Speakup in one consle with a command prompt showing and Emacspeak in
yet another console with speakup on silent. All use e-speak as the
synth and both Orca and Speakup use speech dispatcher. Emacspeak uses
it's own thing but, bottom line is, I've had a three-part chorus going
once when Orca announced something going on in gnome, speakup
announced something else happening in a console window and Emacspeak
was reading me back some code. They can all be going at the same time
and don't get in each others' way. They can and will all talk at the
same time using the same synth without making each other crash or
anything. The only two that have conflicts are Orca and Emacspeak.
Solution is not to run Emacspeak in a Gnome session but in a console
instead. Works very very well. The only problems I've ever had were
of my own making when I took it into my head to tinker with something
that should've been left alone like trying to fix Festival or
something like that. I finally fixed it to work in Vinux but was
disappointed in the quality of the synth. I would've been just as
happy if I'd left things alone and didn't have to break four installs
to land on the magic fix.
Alex M
On 12/27/10, Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, Kerneels,
>
> I use the 3.0 full version. I didn't download the libre version
> precisely because I had that fear. I downloaded the dvd version and
> braille and speech both worked out of the box immediately for all
> three screen readers on the live cd. The only problem I've had is
> with braille and the virtual machine but, if you run it from a live cd
> and, I imagine, from a full installation, that little bug would go
> away.
>
> I know of one man on that list who runs a debian distro but it's Min
> Debian. I don't know if he built vinux from scratch using the
> vinuxscripts through the git clone command or if he just went his own
> way though.
>
>
> You should let Tony know that the Libre edition didn't come up
> talking. He runs the Vinux-support list. Vinux's biggest claim to
> fame is that it is a distribution that works right out of the box for
> blind people when it comes to speech. I suspect that you will need
> some of the non-free codexes to work with your hardware though. Look
> forward to welcoming you to that list. Everyone on there is
> exceedingly kind and helpful.
>
> Regards,
> Alex M
>
> On 12/27/10, Kerneels Roos <kerneels@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Thanks for the vinux list. I knew it existed but will now join it as it
>> seems to be the place to take this discussion further and ask other
>> questions.
>>
>> Vinux is a wonderful project. I got the 3.0 Libre edition, which only
>> contains free software, but I've tried it on two machines now and it
>> doesn't speak out of the box (people on this list previously did give me
>> some pointers on how to get it speaking, which I have not tried yet
>> since I do have a Ubuntu 10.04 with Orca and compiz plugins for
>> magnification and color inversion). Perhaps the version with the
>> non-free software included works better out of the box since it contains
>> some non-free firmware and other low level code (does anyone know for
>> sure)? Anyway, I'm sure there's some small problem easy to fix to get it
>> speaking.
>>
>> What I was hoping for was a sort of log or journal of all the
>> modifications done to a vanilla Ubuntu so I can attempt it on Debian and
>> other distros. I guess the best way to find out is to poke around in
>> Vinux to see what modifications were done there, and also to use Vinux
>> to see what nice things have been done for you already.
>>
>> On my previous Ubuntu systems I could never get speakup and orca to work
>> at the same time, but I believe vinux has sorted this out?
>>
>> It would be really great if Vinux could be a sort of meta package that
>> could just be added onto whatever distro yu want, like a version for
>> Debian, one for Ubuntu, one for Fedora etc. That way, whatever you are
>> forced to, or choose to use you can get all the nice AT working quickly.
>>
>> Theoretically, if it can work on Debian it can work on all derivatives
>> with slight modifications to compensate for distro specific configs?
>>
>> On 12/27/2010 6:32 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>> Hi, Ty.
>>>
>>> It depends on which .iso you download. The Cd version is pretty
>>> stripped down. You basically have to install everything. There are
>>> "easy install" scripts you run to make it happen. The DVD version is
>>> the one that is pretty packed. It's about 1.9 gigs. Lately, he even
>>> has a really big one which is even larger but which he says is more
>>> geared for the whole family, sighted and blind alike which is trully
>>> gigantic. The Cd version is like 600 megs or so though. It's the
>>> barebones Vinux. comes with Orca and Speakup using Gnome desktop.
>>> 3.0 also comes with Yasr (I think that's how it's spelled).
>>> Apparently stripping down the CD version any further causes
>>> complications with dependencies and such. Vinux is largely targeted
>>> at Linux newcomers as well as towards visually impaired users in
>>> general. This means that it's going to be set up as user-friendly as
>>> possible so, this translates to inclusion of as much as a new person
>>> would need to hit the ground running. There's been talk of a CLI
>>> version like they did with Debian which would, of course, be a much
>>> smaller distro but I don't think it's a priority. Tony Sales writes
>>> that there will be a meeting online where a lot of the new direction
>>> for Vinux will be discussed. He wrote that there will be lots of
>>> projects coming up. We are going to have a bonified manual in there
>>> which is going to require a team of people working towards writing it.
>>> Also, the testing of packages for accessibility with Orca and Co.
>>> will be formalized by having a team created to do this systematically.
>>> He's going to open up the development of future packages to a wider
>>> audience as well as the maintenance of the project's webpage. If
>>> anyone wants in on it, now's the time to join the list(s). Vinux is
>>> very exciting since it's an operating system specifically designed for
>>> all VI people and not just those who are advanced computer users.
>>> Also, Vinux is a distro which the Accessibility person at Ubuntu uses
>>> to test screen reader accessibility of features for possible
>>> inclusion in the main Ubuntu distribution. Pretty significant if you
>>> ask me.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alex M
>>>
>>> On 12/27/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I think that Vinux 2.1 was debian, but they switched to Ubuntu
>>>> recently--I would like to see a minimal version of Vinux put out there
>>>> sometime, since the current maintainers seem to have a thing for
>>>> packing
>>>> it with junk I don't care to have in a Linux distro, and which can
>>>> easily be grabbed through the package manager. But before I
>>>> sidetracked,
>>>> 2.1 was the last debian I know of, then they switched to Ubuntu.
>>>> On 12/27/2010 4:14 AM, Kerneels Roos wrote:
>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>> Does anyone know if there exists a list of packages and modifications,
>>>>> and notes on how to make the mods which one could apply to gain the
>>>>> same accessibility found on Vinux but on a Debian stable distribution?
>>>>> I would prefer to run Debian rather than Vinux.
>>>>> I also understand it is possible to transform an Ubuntu system to a
>>>>> Vinux system by installing something like vinux-lucid (is this also
>>>>> available for the latest 10.10 Ubuntu named maverick)?
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ty
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