Re: [PCWorks] Somebody faked my e-mail address
- From: "Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin" <PCWorks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "PCWorks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <pcworks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:58:27 -0600
First off, the only thing that's technically illegal is sending
Spam, and only by the billions. There is no law for
"slandering" a person's email address (or slandering a company
by posing as the company that is sending them) which is the
subject of this thread.
But to continue on with Spam since you brought it up.....being
technically "illegal", then finding the authorities that
actually have a backbone and will actually DO SOMETHING about
it, are two totally different things. Finding hits in a search
engine for a search phrase, and finding the precedents where
something was actually DONE, are two totally different things.
To date, there has been only ONE person prosecuted under the
anti-spam law, and only because he sent countless BILLIONS of
UCE's. I personally have filed numerous complaints with my
local District Attorney's offices (for both various email and
phone harassment), and NOT ONCE did they ever follow up or even
call back! I've also filed countless police reports locally
AND in the local domicile of the parasite....NOTHING. They
simply do not care.
Window dressing, eye candy. Here in the USA, there may be
laws, but they are not enforced. The Gov't here creates
similar laws all the time by the thousands, just to be ignored.
And in the unlikely rare event you CAN find someone that
actually cares, the scumbag will get some bottom-feeding lawyer
that will get them off on a "technicality", so they can
continue on with their rein of cyber-terror and cyber-crimes.
Or, some spastic judge (as you cited) that's more concerned
with the 1st Amendment that people's legit law-abiding
businesses and well being.
I see it all the time, I've lived it, I know. Sure, there may
be "laws", however, Laws are USELESS without the people with
the backbone that will ENFORCE them. It's going to take
(someone like me?) to get several thousand people to march on
Capitol Hill in D.C. that will create enough of a media frenzy,
to get the Gov't to actually TAKE some action against these
parasites, or a class-action lawsuit against the Gov't for
failure to enforce. Why do you think they still do it? Still
spam? Still commit the internet fraud? Still spoof/slander
businesses and people's email addresses? Simply because, they
CAN.
Drastic times, desperate measures. Fight back the only way we
know how. I, and others that have also experienced these
atrocities first hand, will consider the Gov't as "caring" when
they actually start prosecuting and delivering JAIL TIME for
these pieces of excrement.
-Clint
God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://www.OrpheusComputing.com
http://www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Grossman"
It is illegal, Clint.
Google gives "about" 1,030,000 hits at
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=anti-spam+laws&aq=2&oq=anti-spam+
for
"anti-spam laws." That shows that the government does care.
Some of these laws are detailed at
http://www.spamlaws.com/spam-laws.html
Unfortunately, there are still problems. We're not out of the
woods yet. The
Washington Post recently reported, at
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/09/virginia_anti-spam_law_
overtur.html , that "The Virginia Supreme Court today struck
down a state
anti-spam law, saying the statute violated the First Amendment
right to free
and anonymous speech. The decision also tossed out the
conviction of a North
Carolina man once described as one of the most prolific
spammers."
That Virginia case proved that anti-spam legislation is still
not perfect.
However, it is in place, and it is improving all the time. It's
important to
press the legislators to put through even stricter laws.
Furthermore, althought the Virginia law was struck down, it
does not mean
that the government does not care. To the contrary - the
government did
create the law. That means that they do care. Now they will
have to re-write
the existing law so that it will be constitutional, and they
will have to
pass the new law.
David Grossman
> -----Original Message-----
>
> It's NOT illegal, THAT is the problem. The Gov't here
> doesn't
> care, nor does any other country. Fight fire with fire. I
> speak from much experience.....unfortunately.
> -Clint
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Grossman"
>
>
> Two reasons why I don't think that will work, Clint:
>
> 1. By sending them spam and trial subscriptions, we are
> lowering ourselves
> to their level, and thereby lowering our own self-esteem and
> self-worth. We
> may or may not stop them, but the price may be too high for
> decent people
> like us to bear.
>
> 2. If what they are doing is illegal, then when we do the
> same
> thing it
> would also be illegal. The difference is that they know how
> to
> carry out
> their nefarious activities without getting caught, and we
> don't
> know the
> tricks of their trade. They won't get caught. We will get
> caught. It's not
> worth it.
>
> David Grossman
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> >
> > In short Dale, there's nothing you can really do because
> > it's
> > likely this kind of cyber-terrorist scum is sending these
> > attacks from one of those cyber-terrorist criminal internet
> > cafes out of the USA, or using a email header forging
> > program.
> > All you can TRY to do: is you MUST get the full email
> > headers
> > in order to report it, but that's likely to be futile due
> > to
> > what I said above, and in the unlikely event they ARE from
> > a
> > REAL PC; it's from Europe (RIPE), Asia (APNIC) or S.
> > America
> > (LACNIC) the ISP's there don't care because they're in on
> > this
> > type of state-sponsored cyber-terrorism.
> >
> > You MIGHT, POSSIBLY, be able to do something if the email
> > headers are not forged, and are based in the USA. But you
> > have
> > no way of knowing if the headers are real or fake. If the
> > originating IP shows it's based in the USA, it's slightly
> > more
> > likely they MIGHT be real, but still not very likely.
> >
> > As Phil mentioned, contrary to all ISP's TOS/TOA policies,
> > they
> > DO CONDONE this kind of behavior, ignore it and turn a
> > blind
> > eye to it. And, SpamCop IS IN ON IT. For over a decade
> > I've
> > been telling those idiots at SpamCop the addresses to which
> > they are "allegedly reporting" these kinds of atrocities
> > are
> > BOGUS--either no longer valid or NEVER WERE in use! I have
> > even PROVIDED THEM with the real addresses! They don't
> > care,
> > they just keep using the same bogus reporting email
> > addresses
> > making the unsuspecting SC user think that something is
> > actually being done.
> >
> > What you have to do is take matters into your own hands,
> > but
> > again that could only help IF the email headers are real
> > and
> > not forged, and several other things have to fall into
> > place
> > for you: For example, if the emails have a website's URL
> > in
> > it, and IF, IF, IF, the whois information on the domain is
> > NOT
> > bogus (they usually are bogus, something also that is "not
> > allowed" by registrar's TOS/TOA yet they condone it), you
> > can
> > find ways of attacking the domain owner. Subscribe their
> > email
> > address to every kind of BS you can find, and have all
> > sorts
> > of
> > ridiculous things sent to their street address. For their
> > name, use something additional like "cyber-terrorist
> > parasite",
> > then when they get all these emails sent to them, trial
> > magazine subscriptions, vacuum cleaner free trials, etc.,
> > etc.,
> > it will be addressed to "Cyber-terrorist parasite", and
> > they'll
> > also have to handle the return of all these products and
> > cancellation of magazine subscriptions. Be sure and pick
> > some
> > "really choice" magazines and products. Magazines like
> > "Ge*nital Acne Quarterly", "Closet Cross-Dresser", etc.,
> > they'll have to cancel (or will they?? HA!! No they don't
> > exist....at least not to my knowledge, but you get my
> > point),
> > LOL. Products like "personal pleasure enhancement
> > products"
> > that have "send no money now, we'll bill you later" promos,
> > preferably from places like "Nadine's House of Pleasure"
> > that
> > have really descriptive shipping boxes. ROTFLMAO.
> > Hopefully
> > they'll have really nosy gossipy neighbors and a nosy
> > gossiping
> > mailman/delivery person that will also make their life a
> > hell.
> >
> > You also immediately tell your ISP about this in efforts to
> > thwart any complaints about against you. That's in the
> > unlikely event your ISP actually does anything about
> > spammers
> > and cyber-terrorism.
> > -Clint
>
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