Re: [PCWorks] Somebody faked my e-mail address
- From: David Grossman <dgrossman@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: pcworks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:32:36 +0200
It is illegal, Clint.
Google gives "about" 1,030,000 hits at
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=anti-spam+laws&aq=2&oq=anti-spam+ for
"anti-spam laws." That shows that the government does care.
Some of these laws are detailed at http://www.spamlaws.com/spam-laws.html
Unfortunately, there are still problems. We're not out of the woods yet. The
Washington Post recently reported, at
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/09/virginia_anti-spam_law_
overtur.html , that "The Virginia Supreme Court today struck down a state
anti-spam law, saying the statute violated the First Amendment right to free
and anonymous speech. The decision also tossed out the conviction of a North
Carolina man once described as one of the most prolific spammers."
That Virginia case proved that anti-spam legislation is still not perfect.
However, it is in place, and it is improving all the time. It's important to
press the legislators to put through even stricter laws.
Furthermore, althought the Virginia law was struck down, it does not mean
that the government does not care. To the contrary - the government did
create the law. That means that they do care. Now they will have to re-write
the existing law so that it will be constitutional, and they will have to
pass the new law.
David Grossman
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pcworks-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pcworks-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Clint
> Hamilton-PCWorks Admin
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:16 PM
> To: pcworks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [PCWorks] Somebody faked my e-mail address
>
>
> It's NOT illegal, THAT is the problem. The Gov't here doesn't
> care, nor does any other country. Fight fire with fire. I
> speak from much experience.....unfortunately.
> -Clint
>
> God Bless
> Clint Hamilton, Owner
> http://www.OrpheusComputing.com
> http://www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Grossman"
>
>
> Two reasons why I don't think that will work, Clint:
>
> 1. By sending them spam and trial subscriptions, we are
> lowering ourselves
> to their level, and thereby lowering our own self-esteem and
> self-worth. We
> may or may not stop them, but the price may be too high for
> decent people
> like us to bear.
>
> 2. If what they are doing is illegal, then when we do the same
> thing it
> would also be illegal. The difference is that they know how to
> carry out
> their nefarious activities without getting caught, and we don't
> know the
> tricks of their trade. They won't get caught. We will get
> caught. It's not
> worth it.
>
> David Grossman
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> >
> > In short Dale, there's nothing you can really do because it's
> > likely this kind of cyber-terrorist scum is sending these
> > attacks from one of those cyber-terrorist criminal internet
> > cafes out of the USA, or using a email header forging
> > program.
> > All you can TRY to do: is you MUST get the full email headers
> > in order to report it, but that's likely to be futile due to
> > what I said above, and in the unlikely event they ARE from a
> > REAL PC; it's from Europe (RIPE), Asia (APNIC) or S. America
> > (LACNIC) the ISP's there don't care because they're in on
> > this
> > type of state-sponsored cyber-terrorism.
> >
> > You MIGHT, POSSIBLY, be able to do something if the email
> > headers are not forged, and are based in the USA. But you
> > have
> > no way of knowing if the headers are real or fake. If the
> > originating IP shows it's based in the USA, it's slightly
> > more
> > likely they MIGHT be real, but still not very likely.
> >
> > As Phil mentioned, contrary to all ISP's TOS/TOA policies,
> > they
> > DO CONDONE this kind of behavior, ignore it and turn a blind
> > eye to it. And, SpamCop IS IN ON IT. For over a decade I've
> > been telling those idiots at SpamCop the addresses to which
> > they are "allegedly reporting" these kinds of atrocities are
> > BOGUS--either no longer valid or NEVER WERE in use! I have
> > even PROVIDED THEM with the real addresses! They don't care,
> > they just keep using the same bogus reporting email addresses
> > making the unsuspecting SC user think that something is
> > actually being done.
> >
> > What you have to do is take matters into your own hands, but
> > again that could only help IF the email headers are real and
> > not forged, and several other things have to fall into place
> > for you: For example, if the emails have a website's URL in
> > it, and IF, IF, IF, the whois information on the domain is
> > NOT
> > bogus (they usually are bogus, something also that is "not
> > allowed" by registrar's TOS/TOA yet they condone it), you can
> > find ways of attacking the domain owner. Subscribe their
> > email
> > address to every kind of BS you can find, and have all sorts
> > of
> > ridiculous things sent to their street address. For their
> > name, use something additional like "cyber-terrorist
> > parasite",
> > then when they get all these emails sent to them, trial
> > magazine subscriptions, vacuum cleaner free trials, etc.,
> > etc.,
> > it will be addressed to "Cyber-terrorist parasite", and
> > they'll
> > also have to handle the return of all these products and
> > cancellation of magazine subscriptions. Be sure and pick
> > some
> > "really choice" magazines and products. Magazines like
> > "Ge*nital Acne Quarterly", "Closet Cross-Dresser", etc.,
> > they'll have to cancel (or will they?? HA!! No they don't
> > exist....at least not to my knowledge, but you get my point),
> > LOL. Products like "personal pleasure enhancement products"
> > that have "send no money now, we'll bill you later" promos,
> > preferably from places like "Nadine's House of Pleasure" that
> > have really descriptive shipping boxes. ROTFLMAO. Hopefully
> > they'll have really nosy gossipy neighbors and a nosy
> > gossiping
> > mailman/delivery person that will also make their life a
> > hell.
> >
> > You also immediately tell your ISP about this in efforts to
> > thwart any complaints about against you. That's in the
> > unlikely event your ISP actually does anything about spammers
> > and cyber-terrorism.
> > -Clint
>
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1793 - Release Date: 11/16/2008
7:58 PM
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