[opendtv] Re: Microsoft's Masters: Whose Rules Does Your Media Center Play By?
- From: dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx
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- Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:08:29 -0700
Isn't it as simple as Microsoft should allowing the initial recording with
the flag bit on but not allow it to be distributed?
I know ... If only...
But if we can't put common sense into all this...never mind...I just
remembered we lost the foundation in our society.
Dan
John Willkie
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really? And, it's the lawyers that you assert have a problem? Not
engineers? (Also, note that you ONCE again referred to an FCC Public
Notice [no legal value, as it says in the heading of each one] to
'buttress' your 'case.'
Is storing media content redistribution
And, you miss the point of the "outside the scope" language. It truly is
outside the scope, and I doubt that ATSC's S8 will ever see the need to
clarify this language.
NBC asserts the rc_descriptor. Microsoft seems to recognize that capturing
protected content is the first step to redistribution. A reasonable
position, and there are other reasonable positions in this matter, but I
won't go so far as to say that yours is reasonable.
Here's the questions (there are no clear answers) that an ATTORNEY would
(and, on my PSIP list, has) asked about this matter [as differentiated from
an engineer who takes pot shots at lawyers.)
"1. What if a company designed a device that simply ignored the 16-bit
flag, i.e., didn't pass it on or react to it. There is no legal mandate
to react to the bits.
...
2. Are you stripping "Copyright Management Information" in violation of
Section 1202(b) of the Copyright Act?
a. Is the flag "terms and conditions for use of the work."
(1202(c)(6))
...
3. Is the flag an essential part of a "Technical Protection Mechanism,"
entitled to protection under Section 1201?" ...
So much more complicated than your analysis, and all based in the Copyright
Act, not jaundiced views of attorneys.
Since the FCC lacks the jurisdiction -- absent action by Congress -- to
mandate what receivers will do with the rc_descriptor, that part is MOOT,
and nothing that the ATSC does will change that; indeed, if the ATSC
changes their language to somehow open this up in the standard, the courts
will prevent the FCC from asserting anything ABSENT CONGRESSIONAL ACTION.
The above questions, however, are pending and far from moot.
MS's position is reasonable. The fact that NBC didn't know that it was
asserting the rc_descriptor (at least at the stations that I can receive
that NBC controls if not owns outright, and per the article citing an NBC
spokesperson) is close to unreasonable.
John Willkie
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>From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: May 23, 2008 1:42 PM
>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [opendtv] Re: Microsoft's Masters: Whose Rules Does Your Media
Center Play By?
>
>Monty Solomon wrote:
>
>> Microsoft's Masters: Whose Rules Does Your Media Center Play By?
>> Posted by Danny O'Brien
>
>> While its customers are still puzzling over why Vista Media
>> Center is suddenly refusing to record over-the-air NBC digital
>> TV, ...
>
>http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/05/microsofts-masters-whose-rules-does
>-your-media-cen
>
>This is one of those many examples of the lawyers tying themselves up in
>knots.
>
>The original FCC intent was abundantly clear. Unfortunately, when the
>FCC's broadcast flag ruling was thrown out by the courts, they threw out
>the baby with the bathwater. Now the equipment manufactuers can
>interpret the words in any way they bloody well please, or so it seems.
>And yet somehow, the Betamax ruling should apply here too, so I hope the
>courts will step in again.
>
>The situation here is hardly ambiguous.
>
>From the ATSC's point of view, the exact function of this redistribution
>control flag is not specified. Section 6.9.12 of A/65 makes this plain:
>
>"It is out of the scope of this standard to assert how any receiving
>device reacts when the rc_descriptor is present."
>
>But the FCC (and the courts with the Betamax case) were not so
>ambiguous:
>
>http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-240759A1.doc
>
>-----------------
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NEWS MEDIA CONTACTS:
>November 4, 2003 Michelle Russo 202-418-2358
> David Fiske 202-418-0513
>
>FCC ADOPTS ANTI-PIRACY PROTECTION FOR DIGITAL TV
>
>Broadcast Flag Prevents Mass Internet Distribution; Consumer Copying Not
>Affected; No New Equipment Needed
>
>Washington, D.C. - Today, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
>adopted an anti-piracy mechanism, also known as the "broadcast flag,"
>for digital broadcast television. The goal of today's action is to
>foster the transition to digital TV and forestall potential harm to the
>viability of free, over-the-air broadcasting in the digital age. >>>The
>FCC said that consumers' ability to make digital copies will not be
>affected <<<; the broadcast flag seeks only to prevent mass distribution
>over the Internet. Finally, the FCC said implementation of the broadcast
>flag will not require consumers to purchase any new equipment.
>
>...
>------------------
>
>Until someone legally reiterates "that consumers' ability to make
>digital copies will not be affected," it's the wild west out there.
>
>Bert
>
>
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