At 4:10 PM -0500 2/18/08, Manfredi, Albert E wrote:
We've been over this before, Craig. The answer is certainly NO.
Sorry Bert, but there is nothing to stop me or anyone else from innovating on the Internet.
Anyone's bright idea is fully vetted by the working group, first, and by the IESG, at the very least, before it goes to Standards Track. Many bright ideas die on the vine, many others take years and years to make it through the process, and still others that do make it through never get adopted in the marketplace.
This is probably true once something is presented to the IETF. But millions of people could be using the technology before the creator seeks standardization via the IETF. Compare this to the ATSC standard where you need approval of the ATSC, and probably the FCC before you can do anything.
http://www.ietf.org/glossary.html IP Multicast is a good example. There are many protocols associated with IP Multicast that never were adopted. There are many that finally made it through the process but died on the vine anyway. You might want to read through RFC 5110 to see examples of the latter. What you seem to be missing, Craig, is that "anyone" can indeed write an Internet Draft. However, these drafts are only active for 6 months, and then they expire. The only way to keep them alive is to have CONSENSUS from the working group that they deserve to be developed.I have seen ATSC subcommittees recommend a change in the ATSC standard, only to have the ATSC Board overrule them.Yup. Same with the IETF. There may be differences in degree, I don't know, but not as much as you might think.Sorry Bert, but the ATSC is a VERY POOR example of how a standards group like this should be run. This is not a casual observation from an industry pundit - it is based on real-world experience working on ATSC subcommittees, and watching the power that a handful of companies have over the standard.Compared to what? People have also complained about the more powerful contributors to the IETF. Again, not having participated in ATSC working groups, I can't make a direct comparison. All I can say is, what you describe is certainly does not sound unique.
I agree to an extent that all standards setting processes can be dominated by big companies or industry protectionism. This was certainly true in my work with the SMPTE and ISO/MPEG.
At least the IETF attempts to create enabling standards that others can build upon. The ATSC standard is CLOSED...
VERY CLOSED. But then, who really cares?Just for grins, take a look at this informal voters poll conducted by Broadcast Engineering:
http://broadcastengineering.com/poll_results/?poll_id=2744348106 The website was down when I wrote this, but I think the link is still good. Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org
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