Craig Birkmaier wrote: > Those industries are competing with one another > and moving the ball down the field. The broadcasters > not even in the game - by choice. We're obviously talking past one another. Frank Eory said that people would choose not to buy the integrated set if they had a choice. Nonsense. People might choose to buy the monitor ONLY because they have no choice but to accept the cable/DBS STB! The consumer's interests are not the same as the service providers' interests. All you're saying above is that the service providers have their own interests in mind. That was obvious already. > I just got a Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD > box from Cox cable. It includes an integrated DVR. > What good would an integrated receiver do for those > who want the DVR function, Again, IMO, you're not seeing the bigger picture. What you were forced to do was to buy an integrated DVR from your cable company. On the other hand, you could have bought an integrated cable/ATSC DVR from Best Buy. Why should you rent or buy a special box from your cable company, and maybe pay higher monthly fees to boot, if you can do the same thing with a standard box without even informing the service provider? The integrated TV set per se would benefit you simply because it would permit watching TV without a DVR, or watching one channel while recording whatever limit of channels the DVR allows. The standard integrated DVR and integrated TV you buy from Best Buy would also work if you change service provider or if you want to augment your cable channels with OTA channels. So in terms of the consumer's own interests, not to be confused with the service providers' interests, the single standard makes good sense. To me, the ATSC/digital cable interface is just another interface. Just like the RGB, the DVI, the composite, the Y/C. Why get hung up on just this one? > These folks are dealing with customer service issues > in a very aggressive manner. If your Best Buy box breaks, Best Buy will fix or replace it too. Many years ago, the telephone company used to insist we buy phones only from them, and would charge extra for extra phone extensions in your home. I didn't think we would be debating TODAY how wonderful that business model for consumers! Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.