Well I've now managed to get OS 10.1 installed on my powercomputing powertowerpro (a 9500 mac clone), which has a 500mhz G3 upgrade card in it. It took some weird manuvering, like putting the 3 hard drives on the external scsi bus instead of the internal one (they can be switched back to the faster internal bus after X is intalled tho). I also had to pull the old apple cdrom, as the X installer didnt like it much. And my 3DFX Voodoo video card had to be pulled, and I had to use an ATI RAGE card to do the install. But now X works great on the old tower. Now I just wish I had Jaguar instead of 10.1 For anyone considering getting rid of an older mac just bc they want to use OSX, my experience is that the older macs can run X just as nicely as any stock G3. I wouldn't go as far as to say they're as good as a new G4. But I'd much rather spend ~$400 (what it cost me to buy the tower clone, 320megs RAM, 3 hard drives [two 4 gigs and one 9 gig], internal cdrw, 2 video cards, usb card and the G3/500 XLR8 processor) on an older upgraded machine than drop $3000 plus on a new G4. But of course Apple doesn't want you to know this... they want your $3000 plus! If you're thinking of installing OSX on an older machine, I'd encourage you to check out the software XPostFacto (it's free). Most macs are far easier to install X on than the mac clones. I prefer the tower clone I have bc of it's 8 drive bays and 6 pci slots... no mac ever had that much expandablity! regards, ~Alex _________________________________________________ For information concerning the MUGLO List just click on http://muglo.on.ca/pages/members.html#Joinmuglo Don't forget to periodically check our web site at: http://muglo.on.ca/