[modeleng] Re: Parts prices - adjustable spanners
- From: Ken Strauss <ken.strauss@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:00:37 -0400
I don't know if picture attachments are allowed on this list but I have
attached a photo showing the adjustment worms for a Bahco 12 and a Crescent
16. Note that they are opposites but which is the left-handed one?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:modeleng-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jesse
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:28 AM
> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Parts prices - adjustable spanners
>
> Ken,
>
> I have heard of "left handed" Monkey wrenches, but it appears that are
also
> left handed "Crescent" wrenches.
> Jesse in summat warmer Troy, TN
> > I have several Bahco adjustable wrenches which are not from Volvo.
> > Yep, a royal pain but they are of excellent quality.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:modeleng-
> >> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ian ridley
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:25 AM
> >> To: post modeleng
> >> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Parts prices - adjustable spanners
> >>
> >> I have a 'Bahco' adjustable which was part of a Volvo toolkit, and I
> >> can
> > vouch
> >> for the fact that it's helix is different to all the others that I
> > have.Drives me mad
> >> as I keep turning it the wrong way!
> >> Regards
> >> Ian
> >>
> >>
> >>> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:44:09 -0700
> >>> From: sandfordfamily@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Parts prices - adjustable spanners
> >>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>> I have been told that the "adjustable spanner" or Crescent as it is
> > commonly
> >> known was invented by the Swedish company Bahco, but that Mr.
> >> Crescent (or whoever started / ran the Crescent Company) saw it,
> >> reversed the helix on
> > the
> >> adjuster, and then patented his version of the device. Or it may be
> >> that
> > he got
> >> around the Bahco patent by reversing the helix on the adjuster, but
> >> didn't patent his version, not sure which there. He then proceeded to
> >> sell it and because it sold widely we now have his name associated
> >> with it. I assume
> > that it
> >> sold more widely than the Bahco one because of maybe better pricing
> >> or a wider distribution network.
> >>> I can't vouch for the accuracy of this info but at the moment (until
> > advised
> >> otherwise) believe it to be correct.
> >>> Stephen Sandford
> >>> In down-under Wellington, New Zealand.
> >>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: peter chadwick <g8on@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012 2:08 AM
> >>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Parts prices
> >>>>
> >>>> It is said that the adjustable spanner was invented by a Swedish
> > blacksmith,
> >> which may or may not be correct. What is true is that in French, it
> >> is
> > called 'un
> >> clef Anglaise' or 'English key'.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> =======================================>Message Received: Sep
> 25
> >>>> 2012, 02:41 PM
> >>>> From: kjones9154@xxxxxxx
> >>>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Cc:
> >>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Parts prices
> >>>>
> >>>> Some years ago I worked for a conveyor company and we installed a
> >> conveyor in a copper mine at Twin Buttes Tucson. This conveyor had a
> >> huge gearbox with which we supplied a set of tools. I remember two
> >> Texans being very amused by a large spanner from this tool box with
> >> the manufacturers name of :- 'King Dick'!
> >>>> Is it true that the name spanner is derived from the tool that was
> >>>> used
> > to
> >> 'span' or load cross bows?
> >>>> And while we are on the subject - why do we call that little piece
> >>>> of
> > metal
> >> that puts a female thread in a hole --- a 'tap'? in the parallel
> >> world
> > that is not
> >> engineering this is what we use to turn the water on!!! or is that a
> > 'faucet or
> >> perhaps fawcett' Jesse?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken Jones in showery Berkshire.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Jesse
> >>>> To: modeleng
> >>>> Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:12
> >>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Parts prices
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/24/2012 3:46 PM, Ken Strauss wrote:
> >>>> Ken, you wins the seegar even though you left out one letter in Mr.
> >>>> Mon_e_cky's name .You must have a copy of the same Audels' Manual
> >>>> that I have.
> >>>> Adjustable open wrenches are all called Crescent Wrenches over here
> >>>> in the American colony probably because the first ones were made by
> >>>> the Crescent Tool company . Never heard one called a "shifter".
> >>>> Spanners usually have a large opening with either a lug on the ends
> >>>> of the jaws or else steel pins, depending on how it is to be used.
> >>>> I have seen a spanner or two in which one leg could pivot so it
> >>>> would fit more than one size packing gland or whatever.
> >>>>> You're probably going to tell some story about "Charles Moncky"...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I thought that an adjustable open end wrench was commonly called a
> >> "shifter"
> >>>>> across the pond. I believe that a "spanner" is a fixed jaw open
> >>>>> end
> > wrench.
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:modeleng-
> >>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jesse
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:09 PM
> >>>>>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Parts prices
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Barry,
> >>>>>> That I can understand as I have a turret (capstan) where my
> >>>>>> tailstock
> >>>>> normally
> >>>>>> goes, but I do a lot of work that requires the turret which has
> >>>>>> 6 stations so the tailstock sits on the floor. Currently, the box
> >>>>>> tool, a
> >>>>> threading
> >>>>>> die and a couple of drill chucks are mounted on the turret.
> >>>>>> Sometimes there is also a center cut end mill to allow facing of
> >>>>>> the work
> >>>>> and a
> >>>>>> center drill in another chuck.
> >>>>>> Funny how two nations with the same language call items by
> >>>>>> different
> >>>>> terms. A
> >>>>>> few years ago I had a problem with "linisher" which is belt
> >>>>>> sander over
> >>>>> here.
> >>>>>> Ah well, we will soon be building weapons to slow down the
> >>>>>> Taliban and I suppose I will have to make some sort of spear
> >>>>>> thrower or
> >> something.
> >>>>>> Several years ago I had one of our loggers ask me where the
> >>>>>> "chuck" for
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> drill press was. I pointed out to him that it was in plain sight
> >>>>>> on the
> >>>>> drill press,
> >>>>>> but he still couldn't see it. It turned out that he called the
> >>>>>> chuck key a
> >>>>> "chuck"
> >>>>>> and it had fallen to the floor where he didn't see it. Loggers is
> >>>>>> big
> >>>>> tough blokes,
> >>>>>> but sometimes have funny names for tools. Over here every
> >>>>>> adjustable open end spanner (wrench) is called a "Crescent
> >>>>>> wrench", I suppose because the
> >>>>> first
> >>>>>> ones were made by Crescent Tool Company. Spanners are usually
> >>>>>> forked
> >>>>> tools
> >>>>>> (Y
> >>>>>> shaped) with pins that fit into notches or holes on steam packing
> >>>>>> glands
> >>>>> and the
> >>>>>> like. Little delicate adjustable spanners are used to unscrew the
> >>>>>> back of
> >>>>> wrist
> >>>>>> watches.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This brings to the so called "Monkey Wrench". Now how many of you
> >>>>>> gents know where that name came from?? When I started work as a
> >>>>>> machinist apprentice at the railroad in 1953, I was issued a ball
> >>>>>> peen hammer, a flashlight, a 10" Mill Bastard File, and was
> >>>>>> supposed to get a "Monkey
> >>>>> Wrench",
> >>>>>> but didn't. I still have the flashlight and it works as well as
> >>>>>> it did 60
> >>>>> years ago
> >>>>>> though the reflector has darkened considerably. I have a couple
> >>>>>> of "Monkey Wrenches" just as curiosities.
> >>>>>> Now, who is going to get the cigar for explaining where Monkey
> >>>>>> Wrenches
> >>>>> got
> >>>>>> their name?? Alan, Tel, Clif, Al Messy????? Only reason I know is
> >>>>>> because
> >>>>> I
> >>>>>> accidentally saw it in my 1921 Audel's Mechanic's Manual.
> >>>>>>> Jesse,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think that the terminology in the U.S. is "Turret lathe". They
> >>>>>>> were the original "mass production" lathe.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The capstan is a device sat on the cross slide of the lathe
> >>>>>>> which indexes round every time the cross slide is wound to the
right.
> >>>>>>> The capstan is pivoted on a vertical axis and contains a number
> >>>>>>> of tools (usually 6) located radially.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Almost every bit of film showing factory work during WW2 shows
> >>>>>>> Capstan lathes at work.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Barrie
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Jesse"
> >>>>>>> To:
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:56 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Parts prices
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well well, the roller box is very similar to my homemade box
> >>>>>>>> tool, but of course much nicer. Both accomplish the same thing.
> >>>>>>>> No rollers in my box tool though. I just use brass bushings
> >>>>>>>> that fit the stock material which is mostly 5/16" or 1/4" in dia.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Still nothing on a capstan lathe. Is this a type of lathe that
> >>>>>>>> is installed on a sailing ship capstan????
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jesse the curious one in Troy Tennessee
> >>>>>>>>> It's one of these:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.tangi-flow.com/rollerboxes.php
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Alan
> >>>>>>>>> On 24/09/2012 01:02, AC Messer wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> I am familiar with a capstan lathe but I too am iterested as
> >>>>>>>>>> to what is a "roller box".
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Al Messer
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