Harry, The problem with welding tips is that they are designed to give a high concentration of heat to a relatively small area. The cutting torch is designed to give relatively more heat (due to the greater number of preheat flames) but spread over a larger area. With the "rosebud" heating torch, it is an even larger version of the cutting torch, due to it's much larger number of flames. But the advantage of the cutting torch is that you have the control (to some extent) of the welding tip, combined with the broad heating capacity (a smaller version) of the rosebud heating torch. I have found it to be an excellent combination of heat output and controllability (is that a word???) in terms of being able to localise it for silver soldering individual bits and pieces without having to melt all the surrounding silver soldered joints. The only time I use my heating torches is for the preheat and holding the boiler at around 50-100°C below soldering temp. I then move in with the cutting torch and locally heat the areas that I intend on silver soldering. I only seem to use my LPG/oxy heating torches these days, and not my oxy/acet. As I don't work in a gas plant anymore, I found that operating costs is a major factor...... The free stuff has stopped flowing......... *sigh* Cheers, Phill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Wade" <hww@xxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:39 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Boilers > At 11:04 PM 1/7/06 +0800, you wrote: > >Use the oxy/acet cutting torch for your local heating for silver braising, > >rather than a welding tip. - Phill > > Phill, > We all generally (or should) recognize that when using any oxy/acetyl > torch device around copper boilers that careful handling is needed to avoid > localized overheating, or overheating in general. Does your suggestion not > jump from the frying pan into the fire? I am not an expert on the heating > characteristics of oxy/acetyl equipment but does not a cutting head > concentrate heat more so than any other tip? Except for small boilers, Ga1 > and such, my preferred tip for oxy/acetyl use is a 1" diam "rosebud" which > produces a relatively broad flame and lessens the possibilty of overheating > and (gasp, choke) a meltdown or burn-through. > > Regards, > Harry > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. > > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.