[macvoiceover] Re: Web Browsing.
- From: Laura <laura.mcg@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:30:53 +0000
I completely agree about the text selection. I'm hopeful Lion will fix that,
because I don't have trouble selecting text on Safari with the iPhone. There
are also certain pages where, if you read in dom mode, paragraph breaks aren't
honoured correctly, and the entire thing just reads as one block of text.
Again, this doesn't happen on the iPhone, so I'm hopeful that'll carry over too.
I think I'd probably welcome single letter navigation, as well, but I don't
miss it nearly as much as I did when I first started using the Mac. The only
thing I really still miss is being able to navigate easily between heading
levels. You can narrow it down, obviously, with the rotor to show you only
level 2 headings, but that's not quite as simple as just hitting 2 on the
keyboard and getting to where you want to be. Even so, I find the trackpad
alleviates that quite a bit, because often I can just touch and be in the
ballpark of where I want.
On 23 Feb 2011, at 13:18, ashley wrote:
> Yes, I agree. THey have done a great job of making web browsing accessible.
> The only part I don't like, is having to hold down so many keys to get things
> done. I mean... holding down control, option, command, H just to move to the
> next heading, in my opinion, is overkill. Yes, you have the roter, but then
> you have to keep changing the roter settings. I think if they did the
> following things:
> -ability to use up/down arrow keys to navigate the page, like most other
> screenreaders
> -single letter navigation (H and shift H for headings, g and shift G for
> graphics, v and shift V for visited links, T and shift T for tables, etc)
> -make the web pages read more like a text file (this would make selecting and
> browsing so much easier)
> web browsing on the mac would be so much easier and a hole lot more enjoyable.
>
> I'm not just trying to have a rant, but, at the moment, I spend more of my
> web browsing time on the mac trying to remember how many keys do what then I
> do, say, checking my youtube subscription uploads.
>
> ash
>
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> On 23/02/2011 11:57, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> I agree,
>>
>> In leopard, I avoided the web at all costs. windows had a faster, more
>> developed web browsing experience. That all changed with snow leopard. It
>> caught up, and past windows in certain regards to the point where I felt
>> like windows was no longer needed for the task.
>>
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx
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>>
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Keith Reedy wrote:
>>
>>> Ash,
>>>
>>> With the item chooser, link chooser quick nav and so on, Safari works
>>> better than anything I have ever used.
>>> Keith Reedy
>>> keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:03 PM, ashley wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use quick nav most of the time; it does improve the experience.
>>>> ash
>>>>
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>>>> http://www.ashleycox.co.uk
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>>>>
>>>> On 22/02/2011 18:06, Gabe Vega wrote:
>>>>> Turn quick nav on?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> (623) 565-9357
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:43 AM, ashley<ash.cox@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> While I've been a mac user for nearly 2 years now, One of th ethings
>>>>>> I've never been very good at is web browsing. To be honest, I found web
>>>>>> browsing on the mac almost annoying, probably because i'm used to using
>>>>>> a windows screenreader, and using just the arrow keys to navigate. One
>>>>>> of the things in VO that I don't like is constantly having to hold down
>>>>>> multiple keys, and using the ctrl option lock is just plain annoying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, ranting aside, does anybody have any tips, no of any guides, or
>>>>>> any useful resources, for using voiceover with safari (or any html
>>>>>> content area for that matter)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love the way voiceover does everything else, but the web experience
>>>>>> needs to be better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for any suggestions!
>>>>>> Ash
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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