[macvoiceover] Re: Fwd: Microsoft office 2008 for macintosh. please read this
- From: "John Moore" <coasterfreak88@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:38:42 -0600
I also heard today that MS would not make another version of Office
for the Mac after 08.
On 1/23/08, David Poehlman <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> All well and good, but if ms wIf you look at most of the jaws scripts, you
> find out in a hurry that many have not been updated since the beginning of
> time and that was before microsoft started throwing bones.
> ere doing it right in the first place, the screen readers wouldnot have to
> jump through any hoops to make it work even if the beginning of the solution
> comes from ms.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Travis Siegel" <windowbridge@xxxxxxx>
> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:57 AM
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Fwd: Microsoft office 2008 for macintosh. please
> read this
>
>
> This is the *only* message I'll send on this topic, because it
> disgusts me just too much and I don't wish to get carried away.
> Saying that fs works their bottoms off to make ms products accessible
> is like saying that the subway engineeres work their fingers to the
> bone making their trains accessible.
> What fs does, is to claim ms improvements as fs upgrades.
> I.E. ms adds a new api for accessing this or that, fs adds a script to
> jaws to use that api, then announces to the whole world that now jaws
> works with so much more software, when in actuallity all they did was
> wrap something that already exists into a new layer, and called it
> their own.
> There are so many examples of this I can't even count them all. Add
> to this the fact that for some eason (I've never figured out why/how)
> fs manages to find out about these apis months before the rest of the
> developer community does, and you've got the recipe for why fs claims
> they've added this or that feature before any other screen reader.
> I did ask them about this once, and all I got was the cold shoulder.
> I don't mind them saying features have been added, but when those
> features aren't actually added by them, but only grafted on via
> someone else's work, then you see why I find it irritating.
> I've always stated that jaws is really not a screen reader, it's a
> script engine that just happens to focuse on accessibility.
> Remove all the jaws scripts (including the ones that come with it by
> default) and what's left wouldn't read the startup screen of it's own
> product.
> Now, to prevent a flame war, I will add tht there's nothing wrong with
> tis approach, I'm just tired of seeing all the hype about what jaws
> supports, what it adds every release, and so on, while other screen
> readers who actually do real work get nothing.
>
> I've called fs technical support exactly 3 times.
> Each time, I've left the call no closer to a solution than I was when
> I called in the first place.
> (even in one case telling me what I was having happen was impossible)
> Sorry, it's not impossible if it's happening folks.
>
> So, there's my entire seminar on the topic, do what you like with it.
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Shaun Jones wrote:
>
> > Yeah, Microsoft isn't accessible, JAWS is. The FS guys have a
> > product that needs to work on the surface, so they work their
> > bottoms off to do this in order to sell JAWS and other products. If
> > Windows has a problem FS has to wait until Microshaft fixes it
> > before FS can begin work on the problem.
> > On Jan 22, 2008, at 8:32 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
> >
> >> Microsoft has been shamming the assistive technology community for
> >> years and
> >> throwing money around like it's watter to underline their point but
> >> at the
> >> end of the day, how much of microsoft is really accessible and how
> >> much of
> >> it is accessible because the little guys sweatted bullets and
> >> hacked into
> >> software and operating systems to make it happen.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "John Hess" <johnythehess@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:21 PM
> >> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Fwd: Microsoft office 2008 for
> >> macintosh. please
> >> read this
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheryl, you raise some very valid points and I don't have an answer
> >> for that. Perhaps in our minds it's too late but in my opinion any
> >> opportunity we have to share our concerns is a valid one. If anyone
> >> knows about the need for accessibility it is certainly Microsoft.
> >> They have made changes in windows apps to accommodate this need. the
> >> name "Microsoft accessibility" says it all doesn't it?
> >> On Jan 22, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm sorry but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Is Microsoft
> >>> trying to say they are in the dark about what the problems are and
> >>> need us to tell them about it? The developers were certainly able to
> >>> turn on voiceover and see what the issues were. Had they asked us
> >>> for this feedback before 08 was released I could see it but why now
> >>> when the cow is already out of the barn so to speak? I could also
> >>> understand it had it not ben reported on this list that office 08
> >>> was expected to be accessible. Likde David, I'm not shooting the
> >>> messenger and i hope this isn't a sham but I have to say I have
> >>> definite doubts.
> >>>
> >>
> >> John W. Hess & Barclay the WonderLab
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