[mac4theblind] Re: What is the MacOS equivalent...
- From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <cgilland1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:43:59 -0500
The way I see it is, if something is so basic according to my level that I feel
I'd go hog wild crazy just chewing the person up and spitting 'em out, then
having them for dinner again, I just won't reply, period. I feel the polacy
is, better to keep your d*** mouth shut, than to be rude. Not saying your'e
being this way, nor that anyone is. I'm saying more in general, hypotheticly,
that's my polacy.
IE: there was a question on list te other day... very obviously, I'm not gonna
quote any reference of its nature, nor who sent it, as that would be down right
disrespectful as all goodness, but I simply didn't even reply to it. I read
it, don't get me wrong, but my thought was... Oh my God! How could he/she be
so ignorant, yet know how to even send an e-mail, if they are so. So, rather
than being a butt munch about it, I just said, you know what, this question is
better suited for someone with more patients to answer.
My point is The people that are not in your word technical enough to understand
something should get equal help as those who are so, but maybe not necessarily
by the same people.
the bottom line is, we're not out to ghet people on this liswt, we're here to
hjelp. And with that said, I, am, done and this time I mean it, once and for
all.
Chrisw.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Duffy
To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:12 PM
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: What is the MacOS equivalent...
Not everyone is technical enough though to know what an OCR program is or
even that Curzweil is one. So, if I were familiar with Curzweil and asked that
question, I might then explain that it's a program that scans and then reads
printed material to me. Then you would know what I meanst and could answer the
question. Personally, I know just enough about computers to get me into trouble
and not enough to always get out of it. Sometimes I know technical terms and
sometimes I don't. I guess all I'm saying is that we need to remember that we
have people with all different levels of experience and knowledge here. Let's
help and encourage anyone who has less.
tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx
2 Chronicles 20, 21B: "Give thanks to God, his faithful love endures forever."
On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:20 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
on the other hand, if youdescribe the function, you will get the proper
result. There are many folk on the mack for instance who have never heard of
Kurzweil so if you ask if there is a kurzweil for mac, you get blank stares.
It's better to say: is there an ocr program for the blind for the mac.
Believe me, dispite *your* experience, when dealing with the bigger
picture, it's best to address mac os directly.
On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:38 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote:
I respect the opinions that are given here, but may I say that when I
transitioned in June, it was helpful to me to at least use window terms or
reference points when trying to find how how to accomplish what I needed or
wanted to accomplish. Personally, I hate having my hand swatted every time I
make a reference to a windows term. If a body is brand new to the Mac, they
don't always know the proper term and the only way they may know to ask a
question is by using the terms that they do know. It is true that you can't
expect the Mac to work exactly like a windows PC, but for gooeness sake, let's
work with people who are trying to learn. The same thing goes when a body is
trying to find software that works with a Mac. Often times they may know a
program that did what they wanted in windoes, so they will ask if there is a
version for the Mac, or if anyone knows of a similar program for the Mac. I
don't see why they have to get a lecture about forgetting windows terms and
programs. Just give them an answer. I only say these things because I grew very
tired of it when I was asking a lot of questions. Yes. I learned the Mac in a
very short period of time, but that didn't mean I had all the answers. I know
you all mean well, but try not to give people the impression that they've done
something wrong by asking a question. I'll step down from my soap box now.
(smile)
tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx
2 Chronicles 20, 21B: "Give thanks to God, his faithful love endures
forever."
On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:07 PM, John Panarese wrote:
That's the way you really have to approach it. Yes, there is the
temptation and, perhaps, it's necessary to have Windows reference points to
keep things straight in your mind. However, if you keep thinking in Windows
terms and like you are using a Windows screen reader, I can tell you that your
progress will be slow and quite frustrating. You have to cut the cord and
think Mac and VoiceOver.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
Not really. I caught on to the mac in about 10 minutes and tha'ts why.
I through windows out the window so to speak.. I"m not sayign I learned
everythign in 1 day, but I grasped the consept in about 10 minutes and spent
the next day takign notes in class and learning the mac as a brand new OS
forgetting the fact that I ever learned windows.
Take care all.
On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I'd have to agree here with Sarah's comments. the mac is very
similar to windows, but it's just different enough to really screw you if not
careful. It's kind a like the difference in Spanish vs. Portuguese.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami"
<marrie12@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:14 PM
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: What is the MacOS equivalent...
Yeah it would be. the doc in windows is just like the doc on the mac,
But I would quit comparing mac to windows starting now and learn the
terminology and use it. Don't go looking for equivilents as they are not going
to be easy to spot half the time.
On Nov 28, 2011, at 4:59 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
that'd be the doc right? I don't see a taskbar on the mac.
On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
Oh yeah. oops? forgot about that. I don't much pay attention to
that. thanks for the tip I forgot lol!
On Nov 27, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Tracy Duffy wrote:
If you go across the task bar, it will tell you when an ap is
running and when it is not. For example, it will say mail running or if it just
says mail it is not running at the moment and you'll need to open it if you
want to work within that program. Or, if an ap is running and you don't want it
to be, you'll know to close it out.
tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx
2 Chronicles 20, 21B: "Give thanks to God, his faithful love
endures forever."
On Nov 27, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
It's the doc. and I dunno if there is a way to speak the dots.
Hopefully someone can help there.
On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:25 PM, JULIO PEREZ wrote:
To the Windows Task Manager and/or Taskbar? That is, the
place where open
files are listed so that one can close or switch to them. The
materials I'm
reading say that open files are marked with a "bright dot"
next to their
icons but VO does not describe such dots. I only heard a
single such mention
after waking up the system. It spoke the name of the running
application. Is
there a way to make that happen as desired?
Julio C. Perez
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