[mac4theblind] Re: What is the MacOS equivalent...
- From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <cgilland1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:19:04 -0500
For one thing, no one has done anything wrong by asking questions. For two,
we're not, in your word, swatting anyone's hands, but in other people's
defense, what are we gonna do, let peole keep saying, oh, that drive is located
on your desktop?
For one, on a mac, it's not a drive. It's a volume. for two, the edrive is
not on the desktop, that is only a... shortcut?... or do we mean mac term...
alias,... which mounts to the desktop... in /Volume/VolumeName.
That example is rather extreme, but, are we gonna let peole sit here and say
they browsed for a file through explorer? We don't have explorer on the Mac,
we have the Finder. It does the same exact things, but it's not Windows. When
we hit vo+shift+M, are we bringing up a context menu? No. We're bringing up
the shortcut menu.
If you try asking someone who only knows mac what the task bar is, they're
gonna lookat you like... Huh? Wut? But if you said, where is the dock...
they'd know exactly.
There are not that many terms to learn, and frankly, if you're not willing to
at least try to learn them... ok, I'll stop that comment... it's one thing to
try learning the termanology, but not be able to get your head around it right
away, thus fall back to windows terms that you know and recognise for a time.
That I promote. What I don't! promote, is never even trying! to branch out and
learn from a complete macintosh perspective.
All in all, I'd say I half agree with your rant, but I also half disagree with
it.
I'm sorry if you took it as such that we were bashing the newbies, as that is
no one's intention here, and shame on anyone who does so. We all learn at
different paces, and at different levels, and with different styles. Some may
feel better reading, where others like myself, might benefit more from an over
the phone trainer as myself who for a very low nominal fee or for nothing at
all, just depending on circumstances can sit down with a person one-on-one, and
give them the support they need at their own speed.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Duffy
To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:38 AM
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: What is the MacOS equivalent...
I respect the opinions that are given here, but may I say that when I
transitioned in June, it was helpful to me to at least use window terms or
reference points when trying to find how how to accomplish what I needed or
wanted to accomplish. Personally, I hate having my hand swatted every time I
make a reference to a windows term. If a body is brand new to the Mac, they
don't always know the proper term and the only way they may know to ask a
question is by using the terms that they do know. It is true that you can't
expect the Mac to work exactly like a windows PC, but for gooeness sake, let's
work with people who are trying to learn. The same thing goes when a body is
trying to find software that works with a Mac. Often times they may know a
program that did what they wanted in windoes, so they will ask if there is a
version for the Mac, or if anyone knows of a similar program for the Mac. I
don't see why they have to get a lecture about forgetting windows terms and
programs. Just give them an answer. I only say these things because I grew very
tired of it when I was asking a lot of questions. Yes. I learned the Mac in a
very short period of time, but that didn't mean I had all the answers. I know
you all mean well, but try not to give people the impression that they've done
something wrong by asking a question. I'll step down from my soap box now.
(smile)
tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx
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On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:07 PM, John Panarese wrote:
That's the way you really have to approach it. Yes, there is the
temptation and, perhaps, it's necessary to have Windows reference points to
keep things straight in your mind. However, if you keep thinking in Windows
terms and like you are using a Windows screen reader, I can tell you that your
progress will be slow and quite frustrating. You have to cut the cord and
think Mac and VoiceOver.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
Not really. I caught on to the mac in about 10 minutes and tha'ts why. I
through windows out the window so to speak.. I"m not sayign I learned
everythign in 1 day, but I grasped the consept in about 10 minutes and spent
the next day takign notes in class and learning the mac as a brand new OS
forgetting the fact that I ever learned windows.
Take care all.
On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I'd have to agree here with Sarah's comments. the mac is very similar
to windows, but it's just different enough to really screw you if not careful.
It's kind a like the difference in Spanish vs. Portuguese.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:14 PM
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: What is the MacOS equivalent...
Yeah it would be. the doc in windows is just like the doc on the mac,
But I would quit comparing mac to windows starting now and learn the
terminology and use it. Don't go looking for equivilents as they are not going
to be easy to spot half the time.
On Nov 28, 2011, at 4:59 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
that'd be the doc right? I don't see a taskbar on the mac.
On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
Oh yeah. oops? forgot about that. I don't much pay attention to that.
thanks for the tip I forgot lol!
On Nov 27, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Tracy Duffy wrote:
If you go across the task bar, it will tell you when an ap is
running and when it is not. For example, it will say mail running or if it just
says mail it is not running at the moment and you'll need to open it if you
want to work within that program. Or, if an ap is running and you don't want it
to be, you'll know to close it out.
tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx
2 Chronicles 20, 21B: "Give thanks to God, his faithful love
endures forever."
On Nov 27, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
It's the doc. and I dunno if there is a way to speak the dots.
Hopefully someone can help there.
On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:25 PM, JULIO PEREZ wrote:
To the Windows Task Manager and/or Taskbar? That is, the place
where open
files are listed so that one can close or switch to them. The
materials I'm
reading say that open files are marked with a "bright dot" next
to their
icons but VO does not describe such dots. I only heard a single
such mention
after waking up the system. It spoke the name of the running
application. Is
there a way to make that happen as desired?
Julio C. Perez
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