I think you need to define logic. The neocons were rational? Kindly supply evidence of their logic. They took over a country based on the assumption that they would be loved. That was a visceral response. There was no brain involved in the invasion whatsoever, not even the smallest drop. No forethought, no planning, not even any afterthought. They never reevaluated their policies to see if they were working and adjusted them as necessary. They just looked away and insisted democracy is on the march. Bush all but campaigned on never admitting a mistake. Have you read or heard interviewed authors like Ron Susskind or Tom Ricks or even John Dean for the domestic aspect? In WWII FDR fired 250 generals. Lincoln fired God knows how many. Bush fired not one. Not one. There is no accountability in this mess whatsoever. Congress has held not one hearing. This administration went into Iraq with a "let's see what'll happen if we do ..." approach and that?s as much thinking as they did. Tom Ricks? book is called Fiasco and that's exactly what this whole adventure is. And then we want a mountain of skulls? Why are we not clamoring for accountability? For a change in direction? It's no wonder we're finished. We're irrelevant, and all because we are unbelievably, unbearably stupid, which is another way of saying visceral. > [Original Message] > From: Phil Enns <phil.enns@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 8/4/2006 12:25:46 AM > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: ye olde political mindset > > Ursula Stange wrote: > > "Yes...visceral response IS the backbone of politics. The only way out > is logical response." > > It seems to me that the last thing one would want is a logical response. > After all, isn't the so-called Neocon agenda a thoroughly rational > approach to politics? Everyone wants freedom, freedom comes through > democracy, ergo everyone wants democracy, so lets give them democracy > and they will love us. The last thing we need is more logical responses > in politics. > > Rather, we need more visceral response, more revulsion to the death and > destruction, and more care for peace. Instead of working out a plan > that will ensure peace for generations, the politicians should be > working out a plan to stop the shooting now. > > Logic has no place in the business of politics. > > > Sadly, > > Phil Enns > Toronto, ON > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html