Comparing Omar to OBL is by definition saying that Omar is 100% wrong, and
evil, the flip side of which is that Israel is 100% right, and righteous.
The fact is that OBL is not on this list. If Omar is in fact comparable
to
OBL, isn't criticizing the U.S. a bad thing too? Let's all pull the
wagons
in a circle and protect U.S. policies, no matter how deleterious they are
to the U.S. Your needing to defend Israel so unflinchingly sounds like
protecting an abusive parent. One may love one's parent, but that doesn't
mean they can't be subject to criticism.
[Original Message]
From: Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 7/25/2006 12:29:28 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: US Congress and the Israeli Attack on Lebanon
Andy -
I'm angry with and very critical of this administration in Washington.
When
I criticize Bush -- the dishonesty, his incompetence, his effort at
intimidating those who disagree with him, his expansion of executive
authority, his curbing of civil liberties, etc, etc -- I'm not being
anti-American. I'm being a patriot. But if bin Laden were on this
listserv -- someone who's committed to the destruction of America --
articulating my views would be foolish. Why should I give bin Laden more
to
use against us?
That's how I feel about Omar. He looks at Israel the way bin Laden looks
at
America: committed to its destruction. Should I share my disappointment
with
Israel, it would give him more to use against us. Why would I do that?
To you Israel's future may be academic. To me it's not.
Stan
Portland, ME
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:41 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: US Congress and the Israeli Attack on Lebanon
> Perhaps you can share articles that criticize Israel's attacks on
Lebanon.
> Surely you can find some. Not only do you never ever criticize Israel,
> you
> even refuse to see what they're doing to the Palestinians, as if this
> conflict sprang out of some sort of vacuum. You even call those who
> oppose
> the war anti-semitic. How do you square those ideas?
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 7/24/2006 11:19:24 PM
>> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: US Congress and the Israeli Attack on Lebanon
>>
>> I do share Articles that I find stimulating...and get in trouble
because
>> it's often thought they represent my thinking. Since there are obvious
>> anti-semites on board this listserv, I'm not sharing anything critical
of
>> Israel. I know Israel isn't perfect. Just as I know I'm not perfect. I
> am.
>> I'm ready and willing to criticize its government, its policies, how
>> it
>> interacts with Palestinians -- just as I'm ready and willing to
criticize
>> the Bush administration.
>>
>> SS
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:26 PM
>> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: US Congress and the Israeli Attack on Lebanon
>>
>>
>> > Sounds like the best defense is an offense Stan. Do you ever share
>> > articles with which you don't agree? If so, how about sharing some
> which
>> > criticize Israel?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> [Original Message]
>> >> From: Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Date: 7/24/2006 10:22:01 PM
>> >> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: US Congress and the Israeli Attack on
Lebanon
>> >>
>> >> Simon writes:
>> >> Omar did not write the paragraph you refer to. The author, one
Stephen
>> >> Zunes, the Editor, John Feffer, and the source, Foreign Policy In
> Focus,
>> > are
>> >> all clearly included at the top of the post.
>> >>
>> >> SS writes:
>> >> One thing I've learned about Omar, Simon, is that he never shares
>> >> an
>> > article
>> >> with which he doesn't agree 100%. He's not sending articles to
> stimulate
>> > us.
>> >> He's sending them as an extension of himself. It's a good way for
him
> to
>> >> hide his anti-semitism. It gives him plausible deniability. Omar's
>> >> a
> very
>> >> bright guy. He doesn't need you to defend him, which you do
> continually.
>> > How
>> >> come?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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