[lit-ideas] Re: The de-islamization of Europe

  • From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:50:56 -0600

Gad, Andreas, you are sounding just like an Islamist! I have studied both Christian Theology and to a lesser extent Islamic Theology and there is no comparison.<<

I've never studied Islamic Theology. I've read some articles, that's about it. All were written by Westerners and were mostly very sympathetic to Islam as a religion of deep reverence for life and intense spirituality -- which seems to contradict most of what you write. But then I don't know. When do you find the time do all these studies, Lawrence? Which mullahs have you discussed contested passages of the Koran with? How many years have you devoted to the study of Arabic so that you can understand the cultural context of Islam? I'm asking because I don't know. Perhaps you think that's not necessary. Perhaps you also think you understand French culture as well as you understand Islam. I just don't know what you know.

Christianity is a religion of belief, of emulating the perfect son of God, of wrestling with ones motivation and trying to get it right, but accepting forgiveness when one doesn't. It is not a religion of violence or anger. The Christian should turn the other cheek if insulted.<<

"Insulted"? That's not what my Bible says. It says:"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matt 5:39) And then there's this: "But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you." (Matt 5:44) And this: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbour as yourself.' All the law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Mathew 22:37-40 And this: "And if any man will sue thee, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, pray for them that persecute you, that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven, for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the tax-gatherers the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the Gentiles so? And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what gain have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Most High: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye merciful, as your Father also is merciful."

That's what Christ, "the perfect son of God", is reported to have said.

At least that's what my "study" of Christian theology tells me Christianity is all about. Faith? Baby, you've got to have a shitload of faith to follow those prescripts. So yes, Lawrence, you're right, Christianity is not a religion of violence and anger. It's a religion of unqualified non-violence and unconditional love. Unfortunately Christianity has never been practiced. It's only been believed by a few sacred fools. So please don't try to push the travesty we know as "Christianity" on us as some superior way of being. That "Christianity" has been and is still being used to justify hatreds and hostilities and pretexts for murder. It is still as blood-thirsty as all the other power players in the world. That's not to say that Christianity is not still out there. So is Islam and so is Islam as loving and caring and totally devoted to spiritual awareness as Christianity. So also is there an "Islam". Study more, Lawrence. Study Christianity, not "Christianity". Study Islam, not "Islam". Then come talk to me.

Mike Geary
citing Scripture for my purpose,
an evil soul producing holy witness
in Memphis

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