[lit-ideas] Re: Some Gettier examples
- From: Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:04:56 +0000
Agreed- much would depend on how you read the so-called definite descriptor.
Is the expression “the woman in Paris” a unique identifier or not?
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Behalf Of Omar Kusturica
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Some Gettier examples
Because Williams has to correspond to 'he' and not to 'she'. :)
Okay, the first example is really just a joke, but compare my example 2 with
Gettier's example 1. As far as I can see, the structure is same.
O.K.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Adriano Palma
<Palma@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
In ex2, it depends on what you take the scope of the det to be (the ‘the’ in
the woman in paris)
In ex1 I fail to understand what Williams’ sex dos to the claim you made.
In general Gettier examples are statable without any use of those, e.g. as in x
knows that p, if p- q or p, q & not p. hence x both knows p and cannot know
that p, since he’d know p & not p. reminder K is under closure by connectives.
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Some Gettier examples
Example 1
Smith, Jones and Williams are having a job interview. Smith has been assured by
the interviewer that Jones will get the job. On the basis of this, Smith has
formed a justified belief in the proposition that he will get the job. It turns
out that the job has gone to Williams instead. "Unbeknownst to Smith,"
Williams too is male.
Example 2
Smith met Celia and saw that she had a new hair colour, red. The next day he
called her on the mobile and she told him that she is in Paris. On the basis of
this, Smith formed a justified belief that the woman who is in Paris has red
hair. In fact, Celia lied to him and she wasn't in Paris at all. However,
"unbeknownst to Smith" Genevieve, who lives in Paris, has red hair.
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Are these really examples of "justified true belief that is not knowledge", or
perhaps there is something fishy about the way the propositions 'he will get
the job' and 'the woman who is in Paris has red hair' are formulated ?
O.K.
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