These examples are so feeble it is too much effort to explain why. *Perhaps just because the incidents are of every-day, not to say banal nature ? We are not then encouraged to feel that we are participating in a difficult and momentous 'thought experiment.' O.K. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > These examples are so feeble it is too much effort to explain why. There > must be much better Gettier examples. These examples are so feeble I find > it hard to believe they are Gettier examples at all. > > Donal > Logician to the stars > > > On Friday, 13 March 2015, 9:24, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > Example 1 > > Smith, Jones and Williams are having a job interview. Smith has been > assured by the interviewer that Jones will get the job. On the basis of > this, Smith has formed a justified belief in the proposition that he will > get the job. It turns out that the job has gone to Williams instead. > "Unbeknownst to Smith," Williams too is male. > > > Example 2 > > Smith met Celia and saw that she had a new hair colour, red. The next day > he called her on the mobile and she told him that she is in Paris. On the > basis of this, Smith formed a justified belief that the woman who is in > Paris has red hair. In fact, Celia lied to him and she wasn't in Paris at > all. However, "unbeknownst to Smith" Genevieve, who lives in Paris, has red > hair. > > **************************** > Are these really examples of "justified true belief that is not > knowledge", or perhaps there is something fishy about the way the > propositions 'he will get the job' and 'the woman who is in Paris has red > hair' are formulated ? > > O.K. > > >