It would be a fool's errand, imo, to try to extract from this post any clear argument against the view that A and B contradict. However, all is not lost - these exchanges are confirming that my posts and others' are getting through again. Donal ________________________________ From: Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011, 18:16 Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: "Promissory Materialism" Correction dude, that you don't follow ain't my crib- contradiction are generated by the form a&~a are you clear on that? if o a is a type of which two tokens have to show up are you clear? since you like english so much check your tokens and you see that they are not tokens of the same type negation is external and never internal when you need a contradiction a- BANANAS ARE YELLOW ~a- IT IS NOT THE CASE THAT BANANAS ARE YELLOW dig it/ best wishes >>> Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx> 11/15/2011 8:06 PM >>> I don't quite follow this, even as to whether by saying "the contradiction is obtained by logical negations" you mean to admit exactly that, and so admit A and B do contradict because one is the negation of the other. "Since you hair chopping", for example, is not clear or good English. Certainly I can see no clear argument in your post that supports the view that A and B do not contradict. Donal London ________________________________ From: Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011, 17:31 Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: "Promissory Materialism" Correction sorry, since you hair chopping the contradiction is obtained by logical negations your reading if correct ought to be (meaning the reading of your sentences) a it is not the case that there is snow here ~a there is snow here [you may decide to eliminate the space indexical and presume implicit the termporal one, or fix them to an arbitrary fixed point of choice- then you have acontradiction >>> Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx> 11/15/2011 7:16 PM >>> My posts on the following, and the issue of materialism/physicalism as preferred terminology [which suggested 'World 1' is preferable to either], went astray last week. I take it these posts were not received on the list. Having re-subscribed, where I had previously proposed:- "A. Here there is snow. B. Here there is no snow. Assuming "Here" refers to same point in space-time, these A and B contradict." Adriano then commented:- "strictly they aren't even contradictory". But they are contradictory and strictly so. A is equivalent to "There is such a thing as snow here". B is equivalent to the negation of A viz. "There is no such thing as snow here". So A is a p, and B is its negation non-p: these do contradict, as any p and its logical negation contradict. D London Please find our Email Disclaimer here-->: http://www.ukzn.ac.za/disclaimer Please find our Email Disclaimer here-->: http://www.ukzn.ac.za/disclaimer