Phil Enns wrote: > There are the rights granted by a government and then there are > inalienable rights. The former is an unfortunate yet comprehensible > usage of the word while the latter is both unfortunate and > incomprehensible. We were speaking of 'the language of rights,' if I remember correctly. You said in your reply to Teemu 'Rights-talk is both incoherent and unnecessary.' I'd thought until then that you found only talk about inalienable rights comprehensible. In fact, you expressed your views on their derivation and their scope, so a fortiori (as Mirembe often says) you must have found talk about them coherent. Now, apparently, you want to deny that it is, and I find this odd. The quote from the Tractatus seems to be about mistaking apparently identical symbols as being co-referential. That is not the case here. 'Right,' in 'right to life' can be understood in the same way that 'right' is understood in the sentence 'The police have no right…' In the former case, so it is thought, the right can neither be taken away nor given away; in the latter one can imagine a law's being passed which does away for the need for search warrants, and its being upheld as constitutional. Yet this does not make the use of the word 'right' ambiguous. Some sweeteners are natural, some artificial, but they are both nevertheless sweeteners. 'The police have no right…' can be understood as meaning that the police may not enter one's home without a search warrant, and this may be all that needs to be said. However, by way of explanation of why they may not one can appeal to the Bill of Rights. No doubt there's some sort of hermeneutical loop here, but hermeneutics was my second-worst subject. I have no copyright on the word 'right,' and neither does Phil, of course. But when I said earlier that the sentence 'The police have no right…' was comprehensible, I think I said something with which most English speakers would agree, political theorists, judges, and the police themselves aside. All the best, Robert Paul Reed College ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html