[lit-ideas] Re: Paranoid with my Pentax in the morning
- From: "Veronica Caley" <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:55:07 -0400
Lawrence,
You didn't use the word, "cult." I read it into your mail when it wasn't
there. I read a couple of magazine articles and heard one of the former
members refer to the group as such, so I guess I had it in my head. I
apologize. Also, when I taught comparative religions, I spent two very
painful evenings with two separate parents explaining why neither I nor the
school could do anything about two different cults that each of their children
joined. In any case, I am glad you didn't use the word because now you're
safe. So person really in charge of paranoia can go on vacation.
Veronica
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:25 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Paranoid with my Pentax in the morning
Veronica,
When did I use the word "cult"? Perhaps you are referring to the Google
comments I paraphrased yesterday. I wouldn't personally apply that term to
Scientology. I like the definition a friend sent me: Ayn Rand with an
attitude. J
Lawrence
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Veronica Caley
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 8:08 AM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Paranoid with my Pentax in the morning
Lawrence,
I was thinking of your use of the word, "cult." I don't think they like
that. In our country, anyone can call his/her group a religion. And many do,
for financial reasons. And anyone can call himself a reverend. I saw one of
these guys on TV claiming that we are a "harlot" society. And who is the
leader of this horrid society? None other than Oprah. I would laugh if I
didn't find this whole thing so frightening. I am opposed to tax exemptions
for religion. And faith based anything financed by taxes.
I think maybe you will be OK Lawrence. Too many other law suits against
ex-members exposes. In the meanwhile, let Robert take the load of your mind.
I think he really is paranoid in chief. Or, maybe it's me. And keep the
pictures coming.
Veronica Caley
Milford, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:05 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Paranoid with my Pentax in the morning
Veronica,
I haven't called them anything on my SmugMug site. I recall mentioning
them on my blog in regard to the fellow living under the bridge who said a
"scientific organization" had bought up all the land around the river. I
later ran across a newspaper article indicating that Scientology bought out the
land adjacent to their golf course in order to enlarge it -- I can't recall
whether I mentioned that on my blog. Prior to that I may have mentioned them
but I wouldn't have said much because I didn't know much - and wasn't
interested.
It wouldn't be hard for them to find my blog site but I didn't give it to
Sal. I only have him my SmugMug site.
As to the comments made on Lit-Ideas . . . they couldn't get those . . .
could they?
Lawrence (whose paranoia hasn't be alleviated by Veronica)
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Veronica Caley
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:27 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Paranoid with my Pentax in the morning
Lawrence,
Your paranoia is well placed. My family's experience with this group is
not good. I have two brothers-in-law, or had, very hard to know. They ran
away from home when they were 14 and 18. This was about 50 years ago and
joined up. They have been heard from twice. Once when the older one called my
mother-in-law to tell her he got married and could he borrow $300. She told
him it was a wedding gift but she would like to meet his wife.
About five years later, he called my husband and asked to borrow $75. They
had, of course, joined this group when they ran to CA. They said they were
recruiting in England, were in NY and did not have enough money to return to
CA. My husband gave it to them, with my advice. It was worth it to me to see
if they would ever give it back. This was around 1967/68. Of course they
never gave it back. No one ever heard from them again. They broke my
mother-in-law's heart. For decades.
Notice that I refer to them as a "group." They like to sue people. They
are paranoid, not you. But now that you called them another name than
"group," I would start inquiring re a good lawyer. But it's too soon to
hire one. See what happens when they look on your site.
Veronica
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: Lit-Ideas
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:18 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Paranoid with my Pentax in the morning
I forget who is in charge of paranoia on Lit-Ideas. If the position is
vacant, I will be applying for it. Here is how I spent my morning:
I received a new lens for my Pentax K20d yesterday, a 28-300mm Sigma; so
I drove to a spot at the river where I could check how well it did at longer
ranges. I intended to go south of the river by the squash and watermelon
fields, but workers were busily loading watermelons onto trucks so I decided to
walk along the levy adjacent to "Golden Era Productions," the Scientology
property where some of the top people are purported to hang out.
A Scientology Security Guard wheeled up adjacent to me on the other side
of the fence (in a dapper little uniform and on a brand new Yamaha motorcycle)
and asked, in perhaps an Eastern-European accent, "Can I help you?"
"Help me?" I responded. "What sort of help did you have in mind?"
There was a bit of hemming and hawing, but in short he wanted to know why
I was taking photos of Scientology property. I told him I was an "amateur
photographer" and took no photos of people (in case that was what he was
worried about) but of such things as trees, my dogs, and the light coming over
the mountain. He questioned me about my dogs, where my Jeep was parked and
what I did with my photos. I told him I had just set up a new internet site
and he could go to it if the liked to see what sort of photos I posted there.
Eventually he waved and drove off. We walked on a little further but
soon turned back. The Security Guard caught up with us again, told me his name
was Sal and he needed my phone number. "Why do you need that," I asked?
"Our Public Affairs person wants to talk to you."
"About what?"
"Well, you are taking photos of our property and posting them on the
Internet. She wants to talk to you about it."
"Okay," I said and gave him my cell number.
"Do you have another number," he asked?
"Why?"
"Do you have a business number?"
"Nope. No business number. I'm retired. I was an Engineer at Boeing,
and now in retirement I've taken up photography."
He wished me a nice day and drove off.
So the girls and I walked on, but then I noticed a Four-Wheel Drive
vehicle up ahead with a box on top, the sort of box the police use to flash
lights at speeders to get them to pull over. This Security Vehicle drove
slowly ahead of me for a while and then went on to park by the place where the
dirt road I had to use went out onto Soboba Road. When I drove by him it
looked as though he was taking down my license number.
I had asked Sal the name of the Public Affairs person who would be
calling me. He said it would be Muriel. When I got home I got on the internet
to see what I could find out about Muriel and this location that I had been
hiking near for years. Muriel, would seem to be Muriel Dufresne. This was
the site that came up first:
http://angrygaypope.com/gold/gold_base_people.htm
The portion about Muriel reads as follows: MURIEL DUFRESNE - "Gold Base
Public Relations. Been at her post a long time. She is the cult's local face
and is on familiar terms with even the children of Riverside County
Supervisors. She makes donations to local politicians in the cult's name,
often changing her title on each donation. In 2009 donations to various Supers
her title is listed variously as: Partner, Golden Era Productions, Producer,
Golden Springs Productions, Public Relations Agent, Golden Era Productions.
Riverside County has a terrible problem with corruption and, like the rest of
America, has suffered from a crash in income. They need Muriel's "Green Grease"
now more than ever! Thank goodness she can be counted on to dole out the cash.
But watch out when she comes to demand a "favor." You don't get something for
nothing. Her last name is pronounced 'Doo-fran'."
Yes we do have all those problems in Riverside County; so if Muriel
wanted to I'm sure she could get the police to tell her where I lived and even
get them to lean on me a bit to keep me from taking photos of Scientology trees
and bushes.
I've always said that if the time ever came when I was prevented from
hiking on the river, then I would want to move. Scientology doesn't own the
entire river as far as I know, but they do own some of it.
Muriel hasn't called yet, but just in case, does anyone know any nice
places I might move to, places like the ones in my photos where my girls can
run off leash, places where no spiffy little security guards on Yamahas will
ask if they can help me?
Lawrence
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