[lit-ideas] Re: Paranoid with my Pentax in the morning
- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:41:29 +0100 (BST)
There aren't any Scientologists here, really, around 2,000 in the whole UK.
And they aren't tax-exempt here. But it seems you can't keep them down, I've
just found a 2008 story about a teenager being charged under the Public Order
Act for calling them a cult, charged by this force (City, not Met)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The City of London police came under fire two years ago when it
emerged that more than 20 officers, ranging from constable to chief
superintendent, had accepted gifts worth thousands of pounds from the
Church of Scientology.The City of London Chief Superintendent,
Kevin Hurley, praised Scientology for "raising the spiritual wealth of
society" during the opening
of its headquarters in 2006. Last
year a video praising Scientology emerged featuring Ken Stewart,
another of the City of London's chief superintendents, although he is
not a member of the group.
<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/20/1
(The Crown Prosecution Service made them drop the case.)
Judy Evans, Cardiff
--- On Fri, 19/8/11, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Paranoid with my Pentax in the morning
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 19 August, 2011, 2:21
Robert, Thanks, Bend sounds nice. I received two other recommendations,
Payson Arizona and some place in Pennsylvania. Susan is open to the idea of a
move, but the first place we checked, Big Bear, California, didn’t turn up any
suitable houses. Also, the depressed housing market in California may mean
this would not be a good time to move. The ones closest to being suitable were
a lot more expensive than the one we live in. Ideally it should be the other
way around. A friend predicted that the Public Relations officer, Muriel
Dufresne would not call me, that the security guard may not even have told her
about me, and that this was a ploy that the guards are taught to discourage
questionable passersby. If so it worked. I felt discouraged. I like to walk
around looking for trees and birds, not security guards. As to Julie’s
suggestion that perhaps they wanted to use some of my photos, I don’t think
there
is much chance of that. The second time Sal came up to question me I
considered that possibility and asked if it would be possible to go into the
Golden Era Productions facility some time to take photos. He very vehemently
(while shaking his head rapidly from side to side) told me that would never
ever be possible. The Area 51 comments may not be far off. I did a very brief
check on Google and discovered that Golden Era Productions has had some serious
problems, some involving law suits. A group of protestors back in 2008 claimed
Scientologists were holding members prisoner, and the spiked fences (which they
posted pictures of) were set up to keep them from escaping. There
were a couple of mysterious deaths. An autopsy found that one lady had
several animal bites on her body. Some protestors were beaten by security
guards and sued Scientology. An anti-Scientology site claimed that one guard
was especially brutal but in reality a coward because he ducked down when some
anti-Scientology people drove by and shot at his guard station. After reading
all that I felt much better about “can I help you” all the way up to “have a
nice day” from Sal. As to the photos I took today, perhaps I spent more time
experimenting with my new lens than trying to take good pictures. There were
only 4 I thought worth posting. They are on
page 7 of the August 2011 gallery. If you go to where the 7 pages are listed
and click on the down arrow you will be able to select page 7. The photos from
today are the last 4. Actually, the first two from today were essentially the
same spot, but because Sal took up so much of my time the sun had come up over
the mountains by the time I walked back by that spot. There is one shot of a
hawk which I could have left out, and then the last one which is of a winding
dirt road I liked. LawrenceFrom: Robert Paul
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:39 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Paranoid with my Pentax in the morning Lawrence,
There used to be somebody in charge of paranoia here, but he was last seen
being forcibly loaded into a black helicopter. Here's what I know: you may
photograph private property—homes. storefronts, industrial sites—from public
spaces, but you'll need permission to photograph
on private property. If you'd climbed a fence put up by Golden Era
Productions, to get a better view
of their site (or even some wildflowers on their property) you'd need their
consent.
Whether you could publish, online, or elsewhere, pictures of their site you
took legally from a public space, I don't know. My hunch is that you could,
unless some of their employees were identifiable
in the picture. It's pretty clear that I could walk through downtown Portland,
take photos of storefronts, street signs, parking meters, and so on, and then
publish them on a website, a magazine, or elsewhere without first getting
permission from the store owners or the City of Portland to do it.
When it comes to photographing people who are clearly identifiable in the
picture, and publishing it, then, even though you and your subject were both in
a public space, things change; but that
isn't what you were doing. As for Area 51, you're on your
own.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/Area_51_and_other_Facilities.php
Thanks for the great account of your encounter. Maybe somewhere near Bend OR,
would suit you, although it's usually colder there than in San Jacinto. Or so
I'm told.
http://www.ci.bend.or.us/about_bend/index.html
Robert Paul
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