[lit-ideas] Re: One fewer god

  • From: jimkandjulieb@xxxxxxx
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:35:24 -0400

I'm interested in how Zoroasterian myth  contributed to combine w/ the Jewish 
Lucifer to produce the Christian Satan.  I've read a fair amount about it but 
none of it makes alot of sense to me.
Julie Kreuger
elated to have a comparative mythologist on board
Utopias are nice be we would die of boredom
-----Original Message-----
From: dosflounder@xxxxxxxxx
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 3:41 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: One fewer god

I am not sure that the dates associated with Zoroaster are really that certain. 
Some modern scholars believe that Zoroaster is the author of the GÃthÃ's (a 
part of the holy book of the Zoroastrians, the Avesta), which they date on 
linguistic grounds - in the fourteenth or thirteenth century BCE. Since the 
time-lines are uncertain they should be put aside.  
I would note however that I did not say that they originated monotheism but 
were original thinkers, meaning that they (Abraham and Zoroaster), unlike small 
and for the most part, forgotten monotheistic cults, were succesful in 
establishing a following that expanded into major religious groups.  
Are you saying that Judaism originated as an Egyptian cult? Were early "Jews" 
even Jews at all if they needed to be taught what monotheism is?
The one thing we lack is a handy utopia.
dreas Ramos <andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I wondered about this.

Egyptian cults, such as Aten (1,300 BC), were monotheistic. That's where the 
early Jews 
learned about monotheism.

Early Judaeism was polytheistic and there's plenty of examples for this in the 

As for Zoraster, that is 300-500 BC, so it was fairly later.

In any case, neither Zoraster nor Abraham were original thinkers about 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Paul" 
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 11:23 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: One fewer god

> Jack Spratt wrote:
> "Abraham's or Zoroaster did not arrive at their teachings about god entirely 
> from their 
> tribal experience, they were original thinkers. God(s) come out of man's head 
> like Venus 
> coming out of Zeus' but what they look like and how they are accepted by 
> those nearby 
> becomes part of the culture." \

> You are, perhaps, thinking of Athena, who according to myth, literally 
> emerged from Zeus's 
> head, after he had swallowed her mother. Venus is the Roman counterpart of 
> Aphrodite, who 
> emerged from the foam after Cronos castrated his father, Uranos, and threw 
> his genitals 
> into the sea. Homer's account of her origins differs, and in it, Aphrodite is 
> the daughter 
> of Zeus and a sky goddess, Dione.
> The earlier version makes a better painting though.
> Robert Paul
> Reed College
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