[lit-ideas] Re: English Pubic Schools
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:33:11 -0500
Marlena, you're just getting abusive, that's all. The fact is you're not
saying that hitting children is always wrong, all the time. You're not saying
that if no children ever got hit, no children would ever be abused. Be as
abusive in response as you like, but categorical nonviolelnce is not a concept
you are promoting. And you didn't answer the hypotheticals.
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In a message dated 2/17/2006 6:59:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Marlena, what a shock, you support spanking.
Dear Irene,
Where where did you ever get such an idea?
You come and talk to anyone anyone that I know and find out if I support
spanking.
I do NOT. I said--but in a very practical tone--that there is a huge
difference, though, between spanking as a swatt and spanking as beating.
There is a difference.
Would you like pictures?
In the State of Missouri, you will have your children taken away from you if
you leave bruises on them. This comes from beating.
You will not get them taken away (generally) from spanking with no bruises.
There is a difference.
Do I advocate for either one?
No.
Do all Christians advocate spanking?
No.
Get that? Understand? Do I need to say it again: "Not all Christians
advocate spanking."
I understand that you woke up on the wrong side of the bed (i think you
perpetually do so--maybe it has to do with your husband being gone during the
week and you project that frustration out on this list <wry look> and that's
okay--we've seen lots of people do that on this list because of varying reasons)
but you must understand:
I do not advocate spanking.
I have resources for people who are interested in them (where are yours--other
than your say-so) I can get you sources--studies.
There IS, though, a difference between spanking and beating.
It is extremely disrespectful to those who have been severely beaten to put
them and their pain in the same category as you are putting those who have been
swatted and slightly spanked.
The cop has one of the most incredibly caring thoughtful wonderful boys that I
have ever met. He is a great model for other kids--helpful, courteous, kind,
trustworthy, loyal, brave, thrifty, reverent, respectful to all, etc etc. If
all kids ended up like he is--the world will be an awesomely incredible place.
And oh, my. To see how this child is reaching into the world of the boy whose
father just died--it's something to see how he can be an anchor to another one
of those boys who is a Gift. Do not even dare to sneer about my friend and his
wife who are the parents of that wonderful boy. They have done an awesome job
as parents.
What would you have done with the kid who was beating her mother?
If you were the cop?
If you were the mother?
What would you say to the parents wringing their hands because their child was
ruling their home and who refused to go to school?
Does the cop in that story advocate spanking? Did I say that? No. I said we
advocated discipline--and that is accomplished in many different ways.
Read the book: How to Discipline Without Shouting or Spanking. It's an easy
read. There are lots of others. There is also a cool series that is much used
which talks about the different possible ways to discipline/raise a child based
on his/her developmental stages: How to Raise Your Six to Eight Year Old , etc
etc.
Do all Christians advocate spanking?
no
(and just because I respect many Christians does not mean that many Christians
would agree with my theology <g> and that is okay.)
Go back to bed or call your husband and feel loved. You obviously want to kick
a dog -- remember that little tale which explains projection?
Best,
Marlena in Missouri
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