(Andy Amago) > Soviets, as militarily-oriented as they were, either never took > our bait or never baited us to the point of disaster, as when > Kruschev blinked first. I wonder if it's because they > experienced first hand the devastation of horrendous war on > their soil. Yes -- they mever forgot: >>>>>>>>> Civilian casualties in the USSR have been placed roughly at 2,500,000 killed. The loss of population (including both military and civilian casualties) caused directly or indirectly by the war has been stated at 20,000,000. >>>>>>>>>> the defenders of Leningrad fought German soldiers with their bare hands, ate rats (as they had no other food)... when I was there, a strip of bare land marked the resistance. But it is Stalingrad (Volgograd) that has passed into memory and popular history: >>>>>>>>>>> On August 23, 1942, precisely at 18:00, one thousand airplanes began to drop incendiary bombs on Stalingrad. In that city of 600,000 people, there were many wooden buildings, gas tanks and fuel tanks for industries. Stalingrad was heavily hit by air attack; one raid of 600 planes started vast fires and killed 40,000 civilians. On August 23, the Wehrmacht was in the Stalingrad suburbs, German tanks reached the Volga river. At that time, the Soviet 62nd Army was not in the city yet. The first attacks of the German panzers were taken by a single division of NKVD and some workers from the city tractor factory. When the Germans entered Stalingrad, they saw nothing but ruins. But surprisingly, there was life in those ruins, and that life didn't even think about surrender. The word "surrender" was not even in the vocabulary of Russian soldiers and civilians trapped in the city. Thousands of micro battles erupted all over the streets of what used to be a city just weeks ago. Everybody was fighting, everything was exploding, everywhere was death. Wehrmacht met the toughest resistance in those ruins, and Stalingrad came into the history of WWII as one of the worst experiences for the German army. >>>> >Maybe that's why they were so militarily-oriented > in the first place, but we will never know. I'd have said Russia's military orientation preceded the Bolshevik coup, but would have to look a few things up before saying that deifinitely. What is true is this: the Russians as a whole did not want war. Here more or less every little village contains a memorial listing a startling number of its people killed in WWI, but in Russia, more or less every family lost someone to WWII. Judy Evans jaye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > -----Original Message----- > From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Andy Amago > Sent: 23 May 2004 16:03 > To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Bet you didn't know Stanislav saved the > world... > > A.A. Thanks, Eric. I did not know this. It's funny how the > Soviets, as militarily-oriented as they were, either never took > our bait or never baited us to the point of disaster, as when > Kruschev blinked first. I wonder if it's because they > experienced first hand the devastation of horrendous war on > their soil. Maybe that's why they were so militarily-oriented > in the first place, but we will never know. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html