CK writes: Omar wrote: >and no, I don't think that a Democrat victory in elections would >change much. ck: I'm hearing "hopeless" from you, towards both the US and Israel, as nations. What does that mean to you? Approval of jihad with whatever methods are the most destructive? What? *Somehow I find myself constantly called upon to justify, not my views as such, but the fact that I am holding them. I am not extremely happy with this state of affairs, however... My views on the US and Israel are not completely hopeless. Deep structural changes of societies (without a complete destruction of a society) are possible and have arguably taken place in human history. China might be undergoing one such process of change. However, you could say that I am skeptical about the possibility of this happening overnight, and despite Stan's little speech I don't think that anything like a simple electoral victory of another establishment party would do the trick. Maybe I am pessimistic about this happening at all, but you should remember that I am not American and I don't subscribe to the US "just do it" mentality that led, for example, to Iraq war. I don't believe that all the problems in the world have instant and effective solutions; many problems are difficult or impossible to solve. (This applies to my own life as well.) Violence is not an answer to everything, either. I think that we will probably have to live with the current US and Israel for the rest of our lives, while doing what little we can to reduce the damage these nations inflict on the rest of the world, the natural environment, and themselves. O.K. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html