[lit-ideas] Re: A Question REALLY Answered

  • From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:37:16 -0500

Iraqi soldiers are in fact not trainable in the sense that the American Army is 
trainable.   A major problem in addition to the criminal element and 
infiltration by al Qaeda and others, is that there's internecine strife so 
intense it may already be in civil war.  In fact, there really is no such thing 
as an "Iraqi people".   What unites Iraqis ironically is hatred of Americans.  
In the almost three years this war has been going on, there might be something 
like three divisions of an Iraqi Army in all of Iraq that have any 
effectiveness at all.  From what I've read, there's general agreement that once 
the Americans pull out, American casualties will end, but the violence will go 
up.  Murtha supports immediate withdrawal because, he says, in addition to this 
war being unwinnable, if anything happens in Iran or North Korea or elsewhere, 
our military is tied up in Iraq doing fourth and fifth rotations.   We can't 
count on air power.  Not only was it ineffective in Vietnam, in th
 e current war over 500,000 *tons* of bombs have been dropped on Iraq by one 
wing of the military alone, and the situation has only gotten worse.  We're 
spinning our wheels in Iraq sinking deeper and deeper.  If asking mafia type 
gang members to do what the military can't do isn't bespeaking impotence and 
unwinnability, then what is?

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To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 12/25/2005 9:45:13 PM 
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: A Question REALLY Answered

In a message dated 12/23/2005 1:43:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
He also talked with US military who are training the Iraqi. They say the Iraqi 
completely incapable of basic soldier skills.
Why would this be?  I mean--this sort of statement simply perpetuates the 
viewpoint of the Iraqis as incapable children who cannot rule or protect 
themselves, their children, etc. etc.

And, I find it rather difficult to believe--but maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe they 
have not evolved as well as the ones here who play video games?  Or, maybe they 
need glasses--kind of hard to hit targets if you cannot see, after all. Or, is 
it that we have subcontracted out the training to private companies?  (I'm 
still one of the rare individuals who is not convinced that subcontracting out 
to private corps is always the best way to go...I still find it slightly 
appalling that we have subcontracted much of our military expertise...but that 
is for a different thread)

Thinking we need to send a bunch of Xboxes, Gamecubes and Playstation 1s and 2s 
to the Iraqi soldiers to at least get them up to the speed of a 12 year old,

Catching up with threads in Missouri

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