[lit-ideas] Re: A Connoisseur's Guide to the Noumenon
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- Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 18:16:18 -0400
In a message dated 9/9/2014 12:46:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx writes:
so what?
Well, the entry in Liddell/Scott for Greek for 'think' ends:
IV. of words, bear a certain sense, mean, “πυθοίμεθ᾽ ἂν τὸν
χρησμὸν ὅ τι νοεῖ”
Ar.Pl.55, cf. Nu.1186, Pl.Cra.407e; [εἰ] τοῦτο . . νοεῖ αὐτῷ if this
means for him that . . , Id.R.335e; also “ἐπιδεῖξαι ἐθέλω τὸ νυνί
μοι συμβεβηκὸς τί ποτε νοεῖ” Id.Ap.40a; τὸ νοούμενον the
sense, meaning, Phld.Po.Herc.991.4, al.—Not in Th. or Oratt.
-- i.e. the idea is that the noumenon is the _sense_ that Frege worshipped
and Grice avoided ("do not multiply senses beyond necessity").
Perhaps the clearest statement is by Yost:
"To speak of something without reference to empiricism
... is to claim
direct knowledge of a noumen[on], which is type of faith or imaginative
leap."
----
One may disagree.
If 'noumenon' ultimately derives from THINK, we need a thinker. It's true
that only empiricists claim that there's nothing in the intellect (in the
thought) that was not before in the senses -- but most philosophers must
postulate some connection between thinking processes and, shall we say,
_sensing_ stuff.
I'm not sure I buy the Greek idea that 'noumenon' is the _meaning_. For
one, it's _utterers_ who mean, never or hardly ever words. A word only
acquires meaning by its use within a population of speakers that share a form
of
life (as someone said).
Oddly, Rodin's statue, The Thinker, is the great producer of noumena.
Cheers,
Speranza
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