[lit-ideas] Re: A Connoisseur's Guide to the Noumenon
- From: palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:28:07 +0200
nobody knows what is the "own" noumena?
what the fuck are you talking about?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM, dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Can we be wrong about our own noumena? Is a connoisseur always right?
> Gombrich, relying on Popper in "On Physiognomic Perception", notes that
> connoisseurs _can_ (and will) go wrong.
>
> We are discussing the meaning of 'connoisseur'.
>
> Is a gourmand a connoisseur?
>
> A gourmand has of course to be distinguished from a gourmet.
>
> A gourmand is usually a person who takes great pleasure in food.
>
> As such, the phrase,
>
> "I am a gourmand"
>
> triggers a different implicature from the similar phrase,
>
> "I am a gourmet"
>
> -- which emphasises an individual with a highly refined discerning palate.
>
> As such, 'gourmand' and 'gourmet' may still be distinguished from 'food
> connoisseur', as per:
>
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> In a message dated 9/11/2014 2:49:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> Palma@xxxxxxxxxx writes:
> What is the law of Descartes?
> It sounds as if
> I am a gourmand, then I can’t be wrong about what you have to eat
>
> Sort of.
>
> There is a displacement from the first person (Cartesian -- "I am a
> gourmand") to the second person ("what YOU have to eat") which is perhaps
> not
> Cartesian in nature.
>
> But the idea _is_ there
>
> If I am a gourmand, then I can't be wrong about what you have to eat.
>
> The Cartesian connection is clear. Cfr.
>
> I think; therefore I am.
>
> and its reverse,
>
> "I am; therefore I think".
>
> And vulgar variants thereof, as in the well-known adage, Cartesian in
> origin:
>
> You are what you eat.
>
> The implicature seems to be that to be fit and healthy you need to eat good
> food.
>
> Oddly, this Cartesian phrase has come to us via quite a tortuous route.
>
> Anthelme Brillat-Savarin writes in his "Physiologie du Gout, ou Meditations
> de Gastronomie Transcendante" (1826):
>
> "Dis-moi ce que tu manges, je te dirai ce que tu es."
>
> In a vulgar rendition:
>
> Tell me what you eat and I will tell you what you are. -- Implicature:
> Since I am a gourmand.
>
>
> In an essay titled Concerning Spiritualism and Materialism, 1863/4, Ludwig
> Andreas Feuerbach, influenced by Schopenhauer, wrote:
>
> "Der Mensch ist, was er ißt."
>
> That translates into English as 'man is what he eats' -- where 'man' is
> gender-neutral.
>
> Neither Brillat-Savarin or Feuerbach meant their quotations to be taken
> literally -- without "implicatures", as they did not say it.
>
> They were stating that that the food one eats has a bearing on what one's
> state of mind and health.
>
> The actual phrase didn't emerge in England until some time later.
>
> In the 1920s and 30s, the nutritionist Victor Lindlahr, who was a strong
> believer in the idea that food controls health, developed what he called,
> irreverently, the Catabolic Diet.
>
> That view gained some adherents at the time and the earliest known printed
> example is from an advert for beef in a 1923 edition of The Bridgeport
> Telegraph, for 'United Meat Markets':
>
> "Ninety per cent of the diseases known to man are caused by cheap
> foodstuffs."
>
> He added, for good measure:
>
> "You are what you eat" -- perhaps unaware that the source was Cartesian.
>
> In 1942, Lindlahr published a book entitled,
>
> "You Are What You Eat",
>
> with the subtitle, "how to win and keep health with diet".
>
> That seems to be the vehicle that took the phrase into the public
> consciousness.
>
> Lindlahr is likely to have also used the term in his radio talks in the
> late 1930s (now lost unfortunately), which would also have reached a large
> audience (of radio-listeners)
>
> The phrase got a new lease of life in the 1960s hippy era.
>
> The food of choice of the champions of this notion was macrobiotic
> wholefood and the phrase was adopted by them as a slogan for healthy
> eating.
>
> The belief in the diet in some quarters was so strong that when Adelle
> Davis, a leading spokesperson for the organic food movement, contracted the
> cancer that later killed her, she attributed the illness to the "junk food"
> she had eaten at college -- which remained unnamed --.
>
> Some commentators have suggested that the idea is from much earlier and
> that it has a religious rather than dietary basis.
>
> Roman Catholics believe that the bread and wine of the Eucharist are
> changed into the body and blood of Jesus (Transubstantiation).
>
> This poses the implicature: is the phrase catabolic rather than catabolic?
>
> Witness Archbishop Thomas Cranmer in 1549:
>
> We offer and present unto thee, O Lord, our selves, our souls and bodies,
> to be a reasonable, holy, and living sacrifice unto thee; humbly beseeching
> thee that we, and all others who shall be partakers of this Holy
> Communion,
> may worthily receive the most precious Body and Blood of thy Son Jesus
> Christ, be filled with thy grace and heavenly benediction, and made one
> body
> with him, that he may dwell in us, and we in him.
>
> Transubstantiation certainly links food and the body.
>
> But there doesn't appear to be a clear link between the belief and the
> phrase, "You [and for that matter I] are [and for that matter am] what you
> [and
> for that matter I] eat.
>
> It's safe to assume the origin is more supper than supplication.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Speranza
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