[lit-ideas] Re: A Connoisseur's Guide to the Noumenon
- From: palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:13:51 +0200
nel mio dizionario la parte dedica a pensa, viene distinta da chi pensa
alla pansa, per altro informa pure che i solo i coglioni leggono il
dizionario invece di legger i libri
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:16 AM, dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 9/9/2014 12:46:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx writes:
> so what?
>
> Well, the entry in Liddell/Scott for Greek for 'think' ends:
>
> IV. of words, bear a certain sense, mean, “πυθοίμεθ᾽ ἂν τὸν
> χρησμὸν ὅ τι νοεῖ”
> Ar.Pl.55, cf. Nu.1186, Pl.Cra.407e; [εἰ] τοῦτο . . νοεῖ αὐτῷ if this
> means for him that . . , Id.R.335e; also “ἐπιδεῖξαι ἐθέλω τὸ νυνί
> μοι συμβεβηκὸς τί ποτε νοεῖ” Id.Ap.40a; τὸ νοούμενον the
> sense, meaning, Phld.Po.Herc.991.4, al.—Not in Th. or Oratt.
>
> -- i.e. the idea is that the noumenon is the _sense_ that Frege worshipped
> and Grice avoided ("do not multiply senses beyond necessity").
>
> Perhaps the clearest statement is by Yost:
>
> "To speak of something without reference to empiricism
> ... is to claim
> direct knowledge of a noumen[on], which is type of faith or imaginative
> leap."
>
> ----
>
> One may disagree.
>
> If 'noumenon' ultimately derives from THINK, we need a thinker. It's true
> that only empiricists claim that there's nothing in the intellect (in the
> thought) that was not before in the senses -- but most philosophers must
> postulate some connection between thinking processes and, shall we say,
> _sensing_ stuff.
>
> I'm not sure I buy the Greek idea that 'noumenon' is the _meaning_. For
> one, it's _utterers_ who mean, never or hardly ever words. A word only
> acquires meaning by its use within a population of speakers that share a
> form of
> life (as someone said).
>
> Oddly, Rodin's statue, The Thinker, is the great producer of noumena.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Speranza
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