Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating
- From: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:36:41 -0800
Hi there,
A best way is to press CTRL plus UP or JOWN
arrow then immediately press CTRL to silence
JAWS. Or use JAWS Key plus 3 then CTRL UP or
DOWN arrow.
Cheers,
Joseph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:29:34 -0800
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
Gary,
I understand your explanation fine, don't
worry. But if I gave you the
impression that I didn't know where the
cursor was, that was just a careless
mistake. You see, if you're using Jaws, as I
am, it doesn't matter where the
cursor is, I mean the "real" Word cursor. If
I could see the screen clearly,
I could just ignore that Jaws was proceeding
to read the paragraph. But
since I can't, it's disruptive because I have
to stop jaws and then begin
editing as I meant to in the first place. In
other words, my concern isn't
where the cursor is, but that jaws starts
reading the way it does. I would
be a whole lot happier with an alternative
like, let's see, you control up
arrow to the beginning of the previous graph,
hear the first word of it
spoken, and if you really want to sit back
and let Jaws read the paragraph
to you, press the Say All command. That's
all I am saying. I don't need the
"convenience" of Jaws doing me any favors in
a situation like this.
Well, don't worry. I'm reconciled to it, and
at least Ted reminded me that I
can always use the pass through command to
have things behave as I would
rather they did, with minimal inconvenience
to me. But if I had any leverage
with the Jaws design team, you bet I'd ask
why they thought it was a helpful
idea to have it work this way. I find it
nerve-wracking and inconvenient.
Maybe somebody enjoys it. I don't know.
Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxx
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
Daniel,
I think you are still confused about what
happens when you press
Control+Up_Arrow or Control+Down_arrow. The
cursor moves to the first word
in the previous or next paragraph and stays
there, while JFW speaks the
paragraph. The cursor does not continue to
move while JFW is speaking as it
does when issuing the Say-All command. This
has always been how JFW treats
paragraphs. In addition, I don't see why
lunging for the Control key should
be necessary since your finger should already
be on that key after pressing
either key combination to move to the
previous or next paragraph.
Gary King
w4wkz@xxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
Ted,
Thanks for reminding me of this option. I
may use it now and then. I guess
it's a tossup between lunging for the
Control key to shut Jaws up and stop
it moving, and using the pass-through key.
But when I'm working on
something
and trying to maintain my concentration,
Jaws running away with my cursor
and jabbering can be so stressful that it's
worth trying anything.
So, thanks. I know the pass-through key
idea may sound obvious, but I
hadn't
thought of it at all.
Daniel
(who is obviously no rocket surgeon)
curosr ro the ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)"
<Ted.Lisle@xxxxxx
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
There's a simple workaround. When you want
to go to the top of a
paragraph, or move to the next paragraph
without hearing anything, use
the pass-through key first. That way JFW
will treat the next command as
a pure Windows command. I tried this
approach before posting, and it
seems to work.
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:07 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
Hi Chris,
I'm sorry, but this distinction is not a
problem. Maybe you
misunderstood
what I was saying. When I referred to "say
all," what I was trying to
describe was just any situation in which
Jaws starts reading
automatically.
You see? My point wasn't whether that
command made Jaws try to read all
the
way to the end of a document, or just to the
end of a paragraph. My
point
was that I wished Jaws wouldn't start
speaking at all when I went to the
start of a paragraph just to get to the
start of a paragraph and do
something there. See?
thank you very much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Jenkins" <saveup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
Hello.
The keystroke that you are speaking of is
not the say all command. This
keystroke places you at the top of the
paragraph and only reads to the
bottom of the paragraph. It does not read
to the bottom of the
document.
I hope this helps.
Chris.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:20 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
Jerry,
You're describing this key stroke as if it's
Jaws proprietary, but I
feel as
if I remember it in my pre-Jaws days as
simply being the Word keyboard
command for going to the beginning of the
paragraph and staying there.
Now, these other commands you mention, are
they the one-key navigational
commands that were added to Jaws for Word a
version or so ago, meant to
work
sort of like the one-key navigational
commands on a Web page? I've never
tried any of those in Word, though if I read
you correctly, it'd be the
same
thing. My cursor would go to that point,
but Jaws would just start
reading
again like some sort of unstoppable robot.
Well, let me try these letter P
keystrokes...
Okay. I used the Insert V menu to turn on
the navigational keystrokes. I
see. By "redundant," you mean equivalent in
this case, as I thought. As
you
know, that has the very same effect. So I
guess there's nothing for it
but
to do as I've been doing all along, as
Judith reminds us. Use the
keystroke
to get where you want to, but hit Control as
quickly as you can to stop
jaws
from taking off on its own. Sort of like a
video game, except that,for
us,
you're talking about hand-ear coordination
instead of hand-eye
coordination.
Ah, my days of pinball championships at the
bars and the amusement park
arcades. Well, that's milk under the bridge
or whatever. Brain science,
rocket surgery.
Darn. Oh, well, at least I asked.
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
That keystroke is move by paragraph and
after you do it, it reads the
paragraph. The redundancy for this is P or
shift P.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
Hi,
I'm using Jaws 8, but this has been
happening to me for long enough so
that
I forget when it started. Now, I'm a great
fan of Say All, and use it
often
in order to sit back and listen to long
sections of a text document or
an
online news article. but when I'm writing
and editing in a Word
document,
the control home key command, which is just
the old Word keystroke for
going
to the beginning of the previous paragraph
or the paragraph you're in,
Jaws
seems to take it as a Say All command
instructing it to begin speaking
from
the top of the paragraph instead of going by
sentence, which is how I've
got
Say All set in Configuration Manager. But
jaws shouldn't be doing
anything
like this. It should just allow me to focus
on the first word of the
paragraph, which is all the Word key
combination is supposed to achieve.
And so if I want to begin reviewing or
editing at that point, I have to
do
something like immediately press something
relevant to the situation
like
control right arrow to start moving one word
at a time from the start of
the
paragraph in order to keep this from
happening. And if I'm not quick
enough,
Jaws just rushes ahead past where I wanted
to be located, and I have to
stop
the headlong rush of the cursor and the
speaking by hitting the Control
key
or whatever, then try again to get to the
top of the paragraph without
Jaws
rushing ahead reading again.
I looked in the Text Processing menu in
Configuration Manager and in the
Say
All menu, too, but could find nothing that
seemed relevant to this
issue. Am
I missing something? I hate having to do
this crazy little wrestling
match
with Jaws.
thanks.
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