Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:54:31 -0800
Hi Joseph,
We've been through all this already, but thanks. If you read farther ahead
in your messages you'll see that I knew this, and wanted to find some way to
just stop it altogether, and that's not exactly possible, but I will live
with it.
Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating
Hi there,
A best way is to press CTRL plus UP or JOWN
arrow then immediately press CTRL to silence
JAWS. Or use JAWS Key plus 3 then CTRL UP or
DOWN arrow.
Cheers,
Joseph
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Date sent: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:29:34 -0800
>Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
>Gary,
>I understand your explanation fine, don't
worry. But if I gave you the
>impression that I didn't know where the
cursor was, that was just a careless
>mistake. You see, if you're using Jaws, as I
am, it doesn't matter where the
>cursor is, I mean the "real" Word cursor. If
I could see the screen clearly,
>I could just ignore that Jaws was proceeding
to read the paragraph. But
>since I can't, it's disruptive because I have
to stop jaws and then begin
>editing as I meant to in the first place. In
other words, my concern isn't
>where the cursor is, but that jaws starts
reading the way it does. I would
>be a whole lot happier with an alternative
like, let's see, you control up
>arrow to the beginning of the previous graph,
hear the first word of it
>spoken, and if you really want to sit back
and let Jaws read the paragraph
>to you, press the Say All command. That's
all I am saying. I don't need the
>"convenience" of Jaws doing me any favors in
a situation like this.
>Well, don't worry. I'm reconciled to it, and
at least Ted reminded me that I
>can always use the pass through command to
have things behave as I would
>rather they did, with minimal inconvenience
to me. But if I had any leverage
>with the Jaws design team, you bet I'd ask
why they thought it was a helpful
>idea to have it work this way. I find it
nerve-wracking and inconvenient.
>Maybe somebody enjoys it. I don't know.
>Thank you.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary King" <w4wkz@xxxxxxxx
>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:24 PM
>Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
>Daniel,
>I think you are still confused about what
happens when you press
>Control+Up_Arrow or Control+Down_arrow. The
cursor moves to the first word
>in the previous or next paragraph and stays
there, while JFW speaks the
>paragraph. The cursor does not continue to
move while JFW is speaking as it
>does when issuing the Say-All command. This
has always been how JFW treats
>paragraphs. In addition, I don't see why
lunging for the Control key should
>be necessary since your finger should already
be on that key after pressing
>either key combination to move to the
previous or next paragraph.
>Gary King
>w4wkz@xxxxxxxx
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:04 AM
>Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
>> Ted,
>> Thanks for reminding me of this option. I
may use it now and then. I guess
>> it's a tossup between lunging for the
Control key to shut Jaws up and stop
>> it moving, and using the pass-through key.
But when I'm working on
>> something
>> and trying to maintain my concentration,
Jaws running away with my cursor
>> and jabbering can be so stressful that it's
worth trying anything.
>> So, thanks. I know the pass-through key
idea may sound obvious, but I
>> hadn't
>> thought of it at all.
>> Daniel
>> (who is obviously no rocket surgeon)
>> curosr ro the ----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)"
>> <Ted.Lisle@xxxxxx
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:45 AM
>> Subject: RE: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
>> There's a simple workaround. When you want
to go to the top of a
>> paragraph, or move to the next paragraph
without hearing anything, use
>> the pass-through key first. That way JFW
will treat the next command as
>> a pure Windows command. I tried this
approach before posting, and it
>> seems to work.
>> Ted
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Yardbird
>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:07 AM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm sorry, but this distinction is not a
problem. Maybe you
>> misunderstood
>> what I was saying. When I referred to "say
all," what I was trying to
>> describe was just any situation in which
Jaws starts reading
>> automatically.
>> You see? My point wasn't whether that
command made Jaws try to read all
>> the
>> way to the end of a document, or just to the
end of a paragraph. My
>> point
>> was that I wished Jaws wouldn't start
speaking at all when I went to the
>> start of a paragraph just to get to the
start of a paragraph and do
>> something there. See?
>> thank you very much.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Jenkins" <saveup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
>> Hello.
>> The keystroke that you are speaking of is
not the say all command. This
>> keystroke places you at the top of the
paragraph and only reads to the
>> bottom of the paragraph. It does not read
to the bottom of the
>> document.
>> I hope this helps.
>> Chris.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Yardbird
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:20 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
>> Jerry,
>> You're describing this key stroke as if it's
Jaws proprietary, but I
>> feel as
>> if I remember it in my pre-Jaws days as
simply being the Word keyboard
>> command for going to the beginning of the
paragraph and staying there.
>> Now, these other commands you mention, are
they the one-key navigational
>> commands that were added to Jaws for Word a
version or so ago, meant to
>> work
>> sort of like the one-key navigational
commands on a Web page? I've never
>> tried any of those in Word, though if I read
you correctly, it'd be the
>> same
>> thing. My cursor would go to that point,
but Jaws would just start
>> reading
>> again like some sort of unstoppable robot.
>> Well, let me try these letter P
keystrokes...
>> Okay. I used the Insert V menu to turn on
the navigational keystrokes. I
>> see. By "redundant," you mean equivalent in
this case, as I thought. As
>> you
>> know, that has the very same effect. So I
guess there's nothing for it
>> but
>> to do as I've been doing all along, as
Judith reminds us. Use the
>> keystroke
>> to get where you want to, but hit Control as
quickly as you can to stop
>> jaws
>> from taking off on its own. Sort of like a
video game, except that,for
>> us,
>> you're talking about hand-ear coordination
instead of hand-eye
>> coordination.
>> Ah, my days of pinball championships at the
bars and the amusement park
>> arcades. Well, that's milk under the bridge
or whatever. Brain science,
>> rocket surgery.
>> Darn. Oh, well, at least I asked.
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 2:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
>> That keystroke is move by paragraph and
after you do it, it reads the
>> paragraph. The redundancy for this is P or
shift P.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:13 PM
>> Subject: Keeping control home from
initiating Say Allnititating
>> Hi,
>> I'm using Jaws 8, but this has been
happening to me for long enough so
>> that
>> I forget when it started. Now, I'm a great
fan of Say All, and use it
>> often
>> in order to sit back and listen to long
sections of a text document or
>> an
>> online news article. but when I'm writing
and editing in a Word
>> document,
>> the control home key command, which is just
the old Word keystroke for
>> going
>> to the beginning of the previous paragraph
or the paragraph you're in,
>> Jaws
>> seems to take it as a Say All command
instructing it to begin speaking
>> from
>> the top of the paragraph instead of going by
sentence, which is how I've
>> got
>> Say All set in Configuration Manager. But
jaws shouldn't be doing
>> anything
>> like this. It should just allow me to focus
on the first word of the
>> paragraph, which is all the Word key
combination is supposed to achieve.
>> And so if I want to begin reviewing or
editing at that point, I have to
>> do
>> something like immediately press something
relevant to the situation
>> like
>> control right arrow to start moving one word
at a time from the start of
>> the
>> paragraph in order to keep this from
happening. And if I'm not quick
>> enough,
>> Jaws just rushes ahead past where I wanted
to be located, and I have to
>> stop
>> the headlong rush of the cursor and the
speaking by hitting the Control
>> key
>> or whatever, then try again to get to the
top of the paragraph without
>> Jaws
>> rushing ahead reading again.
>> I looked in the Text Processing menu in
Configuration Manager and in the
>> Say
>> All menu, too, but could find nothing that
seemed relevant to this
>> issue. Am
>> I missing something? I hate having to do
this crazy little wrestling
>> match
>> with Jaws.
>> thanks.
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