Yardbird; I used the new jaws shortcuts when reading through or should I say investingating with in a Word document. When writing and editing, I never use those shortcuts either. I would be too busy turning the feature on and off. For most persons, they do not use such a feature often. It is a great feature for students though. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: Yardbird To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating Which means that Jaws has piggybacked a variant of Say All onto this Windows command. To my regret. I have never, ever used that keystroke hoping to get jaws to start reading automatically. Only to just get to where I was trying to get to. Damn. As for the second, sure, I'm long used to control up arrow, as I said from even before I used jaws. But there's another reason I don't care to use this P command in word, and that is that I never, ever have a Word document loaded that is write protected. Which means, if I turn on those navigation quick keys, I can only use very few of them (I don't use headers, for instance, in anything I do) and that would have to be at moments when I have no alternative for getting around, for some reason, and I'm sure I'll remember to turn off the function so I don't start typing the letter p all over the place by accident and then have to hunt around to clean it up. Lot of use that is. Grumble. I'm sure those quick keys are of some use to someone, but whatever. ----- Original Message ----- From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:12 PM Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating That was from keyboard help. In Jaws help the control up arrow is listed under "Windows Keystrokes for Working with Text" though we see that it reads the whole paragraph. Answer to the second question is yes, but I got used to the control down arrow rather than the more recent quick key P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating Jerry, You're describing this key stroke as if it's Jaws proprietary, but I feel as if I remember it in my pre-Jaws days as simply being the Word keyboard command for going to the beginning of the paragraph and staying there. Now, these other commands you mention, are they the one-key navigational commands that were added to Jaws for Word a version or so ago, meant to work sort of like the one-key navigational commands on a Web page? I've never tried any of those in Word, though if I read you correctly, it'd be the same thing. My cursor would go to that point, but Jaws would just start reading again like some sort of unstoppable robot. Well, let me try these letter P keystrokes... Okay. I used the Insert V menu to turn on the navigational keystrokes. I see. By "redundant," you mean equivalent in this case, as I thought. As you know, that has the very same effect. So I guess there's nothing for it but to do as I've been doing all along, as Judith reminds us. Use the keystroke to get where you want to, but hit Control as quickly as you can to stop jaws from taking off on its own. Sort of like a video game, except that,for us, you're talking about hand-ear coordination instead of hand-eye coordination. Ah, my days of pinball championships at the bars and the amusement park arcades. Well, that's milk under the bridge or whatever. Brain science, rocket surgery. Darn. Oh, well, at least I asked. To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating That keystroke is move by paragraph and after you do it, it reads the paragraph. The redundancy for this is P or shift P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: Keeping control home from initiating Say Allnititating Hi, I'm using Jaws 8, but this has been happening to me for long enough so that I forget when it started. Now, I'm a great fan of Say All, and use it often in order to sit back and listen to long sections of a text document or an online news article. but when I'm writing and editing in a Word document, the control home key command, which is just the old Word keystroke for going to the beginning of the previous paragraph or the paragraph you're in, Jaws seems to take it as a Say All command instructing it to begin speaking from the top of the paragraph instead of going by sentence, which is how I've got Say All set in Configuration Manager. But jaws shouldn't be doing anything like this. It should just allow me to focus on the first word of the paragraph, which is all the Word key combination is supposed to achieve. And so if I want to begin reviewing or editing at that point, I have to do something like immediately press something relevant to the situation like control right arrow to start moving one word at a time from the start of the paragraph in order to keep this from happening. And if I'm not quick enough, Jaws just rushes ahead past where I wanted to be located, and I have to stop the headlong rush of the cursor and the speaking by hitting the Control key or whatever, then try again to get to the top of the paragraph without Jaws rushing ahead reading again. I looked in the Text Processing menu in Configuration Manager and in the Say All menu, too, but could find nothing that seemed relevant to this issue. Am I missing something? I hate having to do this crazy little wrestling match with Jaws. thanks. -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 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