Yes, but the point is, we are paying for them to do something that should have been figured into the purchase price of the product. All we are doing by buying SMA's, is funding them to fix problems, that are not being fixed.
In short, they have our money, and we still have a broken product. Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available
Well I don't mind paying in advance but in my opinion Jaws versions 7 and 8 have been nothing more than bug fixes with a major version number release soas to get a SMA from us. There is where I have the problem. As neither version has enough new in it to count as a major release. Unfortunatelystability has been lacking up to this build which I hope fixes at least mostof the issues that have been reported to FS so far. I was having good luck with FS support up to version 8 and all the suddensupport went way south and every time I've reported a bug for Jaws version 8I get the exact same email back from them that basically tells me to check my settings. How much longer is FS going to have us set settings in an outdated mannor? Window Eyes for Vista says they don't care how your settings are they'll work with it. Serotek doesn't care about display settings and their product works just fine. Why does Jaws continue todepend on us setting display and other settings in a certain way in order tobe sure to function correctly? Rick----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricque" <ricjustice@xxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available Well, the thing to do is not purchase SMA's. Why do people continue to pay FS, for products that haven't been produced? Oh yeah, I know, because you get 2 upgrades for the price of one. Well, folks, all of the last updates haven''t even been worth $60 So, are you really getting a bargain? Richard Justice www.blind-computing.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now AvailableIndeed, but some of these issues have existed since the very first 8.0release. I am going to be incredibly upset if I must take another ding tomy SMA just to recover basic functionality. Ridiculous! Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist Information should be accessible to us without need of translation by another person. Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: http://www.blindaccessjournal.com Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead@xxxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available Hi Darrell Thanks for that, I believe I'll be sticking with my current version, as none of the fixes apply to any programs I use on a daily basis. Let us hope that the blank virtual buffer thing is fixed when 9.0 is released in September, according to the fs website. Besides, this version i have now works well enough and we all know that old thing that says, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. At 03:54 PM 6/21/2007, you wrote:Hello Chris, I and others can confirm the issue still exists. Quite disappointing. Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist Information should be accessible to us without need of translation by another person. Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: http://www.blindaccessjournal.com Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available hi. any chance that the problems with the blank virtual buffers have been fixed in build 2173? I don't want to download this new version and install it only to find that I'm still gonna have to load up internet explorer a couple times before it works properly. At 02:55 PM 6/21/2007, you wrote: >Hi Rick and all, > >So far, it does seem a bit more responsive. > >Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist >Information should be accessible to us without need of translation by >another person.>Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: >http://www.blindaccessjournal.com>Check out high quality telecommunications services at >http://ld.net/?nu7i >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:46 PM >Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available > > >It's working much better here with Outlook Express as well. >Not perfect yet but much better than build 2107 in my opinion. > >Rick > >Rick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeffrey Shockley" <jawswizard@xxxxxxxxx> >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:36 PM >Subject: RE: JAWS Update Now Available > > >Hi,>Since I have installed the latest update, I have noticed that JAWS >works>a>lot better with Outlook 2002 than it did in the last build. Before, >when>I >would open a message, JAWS would take a long time to even open it and >get >me >to the point where I could start reading a message. Now, it just opens >quickly like It used to and I can read messages without any problems. >Cheers, >Jeffrey > >Check out my blog! >The URL is >http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com >"You learn something new every day!" >"You can do anything if you put your mind to it!" > > >-----Original Message----- >From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >Behalf >Of Rick Harmon >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:50 PM >To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available > > >The OE bugs seem to be better here so far. I don't have near as many >hang >ups when pressing delete on a message while reading to go to the next>message. In the last build I had to stop speech every time before >doing>this or jaws would stop speaking. So lets hope things are getting >fixed. > >Rick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:29 PM >Subject: Re: JAWS Update Now Available > > >Well the virtual cursor issues has still not been fixed! We obviously>need to complain more, or perhaps maybe wait and see what JAWS 9 has >for>us in store. Thanks for letting us know about this. >On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:57:20 -0500, "Bruce Toews" <dogriver@xxxxxxxx> >said: > > FS has just updated JAWS 8.0. Go to www.freedomscientific.com, JAWS> > Headquarters, and the features and downloads link. This version > > takes > > JAWS 8.0 out of public beta for Windows Vista users, and is an > > update> > for all other supported versions of JAWS. 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