Erik, Since I was the one who started this whole discussion thread, it seemed = best that I respond to you. :-) > >I've been thinking for a while. I've heard it said several=20 > times here > >that a Java-script capable browser is KEY to an OS being used as a > >person's primary desktop OS. I know this is true in my case. >=20 > Absolutely agree. I would love to stop cursing unnecessary=20 > javascript=20 > usage because Net+ can't handle it. >=20 > >I think it is in OpenBeOS's best interests to do whatever it takes to > >get a GOOD javascript browser released with R1 that is rock solid. I >=20 > As Michael said, we can't spare the resources. What really=20 > bothers me,=20 > though, is that every time this topic ("BeOS needs a *real*=20 > browser!")=20 > comes up, it seems like a new browser project is spawned. I=20 > don't want=20 > to rain on anybody's parade, because a lot of cool ideas have been=20 > bandied about and seem to actually be getting some=20 > development done, but=20 > I dearly wish folks would set their pet projects aside and=20 > band together=20 > to see one (just one is all we absolutely need) through to=20 > completion. =20 > Given the *enormous* effort put into its development, Mozilla (in its=20 > BeZilla guise) would seem to be the obvious and logical choice. =20 > Whatever project you go with, getting 10 people working on a single=20 > project is going to result in much more progress than 1 person each=20 > working on 10 different projects. So come on, you BeOS=20 > browser coders,=20 > get it together! I know people have made this rant before, and I=20 > apologize for subjecting folks to it yet again, but something in me=20 > needed to say it. =3D( >=20 Surprisingly enough, I agree with you. I guess I should explain what I = really meant when I started this discussion thread. What I meant was = not for the OpenBeOS project to lose some of its developers from = existing teams to a browser project. I agree completely that OBOS = cannot spare the resources. What I meant was simply for OBOS to be a = common rallying point for the browser people. Have OBOS (probably = Daniel) choose/convince one of the most capable and dedicated browser = people to be team lead, and have that person recruit most of the current = browser developers into the team. Then that team could hash out which = browser they were going to perfect for BeOS and OpenBeOS. What I meant in my last paragraph when I said "OBOS to be a common = rallying point" is that this project finally gives the browser people a = real reason to unite. We all seem to agree that BeOS / OBOS needs a = GOOD Javascript Browser that we can show off to our friends who use = other operating systems. I believe that if the OBOS project were to trumpet this belief loud and = long, that it could get the browser people to unite under our banner, = and REAL progress could soon be realized--even before R1. In that = best-case scenario, the existing BeOS community would benefit = substantially by retaining userbase. All of this with no loss of = resources to the OBOS project, and with tremendous gain realized when we = all start buying R1 discs and handing them out to our friends. :-) --David