So Tim, Are you suggesting we *do* have MIDI in GMPI, but GMPI-only hosts do what Fruityloops does, convert GMPI->MIDI via a wrapper for only those old plugins that need it?. Despite that being the exact oposit of what I wanted, it is quite clean. The pure-GMPI host need not worry about MIDI at all (it's the wrapper's job). Jeff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Generalized Music Plugin Interface (GMPI) public discussion list Participation in this list is contingent upon your abiding by the following rules: Please stay on topic. You are responsible for your own words. Please respect your fellow subscribers. Please do not redistribute anyone else's words without their permission. Archive: //www.freelists.org/archives/gmpi Email gmpi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx w/ subject "unsubscribe" to unsubscribe