[geocentrism] Re: rotation
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:38:25 +1000
OK Allen.. All to complex for me ... especially the rest of the diagrams..
..Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:23 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] rotation
Phil, I think you need to satr first by looking at how MS expalains
the earths orbit and then make use a model. .....however, your objections are
not consistent with how MS shows earth to orbit the sun or even with what I am
trying to show........
If you remove the box I drew from around the earth and you will see
very clearly that the earth i show is the exact same earth in the exact same
orbit around the sun in translation that any HC/AC explintion will show...i
think you are getting GU & HC versions mixed up..... I dont care if the earth
realy is GU and I know there is a HC and GU equivilent view, but only if there
is a secondary annual movment of the universe around the earth for GU....Im
only trying to see if that motion exist period. if it does that still would
not tell us which one is correct HC or GU. However, if that motion does not
exist then that fact would certainly tell us that the HC/AC construct is false
since it is the equivilent of the GU...
1. in a translation a box will show different sides to the center point
(sun) as it translates around it....this is a uncontestable fact.
2. Regardles of the HC or GU sYSTEM we are not trying to differentiate
the two in terms of which one is more equivilent then the other?...We are only
looking to see if either a. the earth translates around the sun or b. the
universe has a secondary annual motion as well. having said that ...if we find
no secondary motion then neither of those models is correct...
3 There is no tilt of the box to the ecliptic plane nor should or even
could be ...if you did that there would be no point to looking at any orbital
motion on the ecliptic plane because you would not be on it nor could you calim
to be looking at the NCP.....
--- On Mon, 10/13/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: rotation
To: "geocentrism list" <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 8:27 PM
Allen I am going to take your analysis a step at a time.. I
cannot follow your words but this pic says something.
Here it is again with my comment.
Your boxworld is absolutely not the true illustration of the
world in translation around the sun.
If you had tilted the box so that the green side was pointing
as shown in the bottom box of your diagram, to show the earth tilt, then you
would have to keep the green side always tilted, and always pointing in the
same direction. Instead you have the green side rotating to face the sun
throughout. This does not happen. Regner explained it last year.
Do you get what I am saying.
Now I take it fairly that your little camera is on a wheel
pivoted to be free to spin on its axis as the world translates anually, and
spins daily. ...
First of all we can think about what happens to it as the
world does its daily rotation.. Paul and everybody else already have
demonstrated this. But I think we should stumble over this part first, and do
it again....
Because, if you alter the diagram above as I have indicated
is the true translation of the world annually, there will be no annual rotation
of the world, and so the camera will not experience any observed rotation at
all. But the sun will see a different part of the earths surface over one year.
Ignore and remove the daily rotation, the world looking down from above will
appear to rotate one rev per annum with respect to the sun. and from an earth
observer the sun will appear to make one annual orbit around the world in 12
months.
But lets get back to the daily rotation effect. We must
assume and try for a total frictionless bearing on the camera supporting
wheel..
This attained, then a camera on a disc facing axially North
at the equator will not be rotated by the earths alleged movement....An
observer at the same location will see the camera make one complete revolution
in 24 hours.. Like I say, thats if the world is spinning. You can demonstrate
this by spinning gently with a cup of water and a floating object in your
hand...
However getting a wheel with sufficient mass, and with zero
bearing friction would be hard for you and me....But I like it, and it has a
different relationship to the aether , to make this worth my further
investigation.
A valid objection based upon my aether inertia theory.
described in another post,
Looking at diagram called "aether attachment" representing
earth from the North looking at floating camera orange disc. If the world is
rotating towards the east against any aether field the angular approach and
cutting of the aether field will cause the inertia effect which will make the
disc keep its orientation and thus to an observer it will not turn.. We cannot
say ha! the earthis stationary... Look at my diagram where I have aether force
field radiating out from a centre..of the earth... and I show this aether
rotating to the west.. The relationship of angular cutting of the aether field
is the same and the disc will not turn... So we once again are stalemated.
I am now proceeding to your other diagrams..
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:05 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] rotation
First: this is how we create a box the will translate
around the sun in earths supposed orbit
Second: we can fix a satilite so that it looks at the
NCP but freefloating such that any real rotation must manifest itself on that
axis...Phil, this is absolutly true because, otherwise the Grav probe B
experiment would have failed as well... only the box will translate with the
earth since it is fixed to the earth via ground stations. However, the
freefloating satilite is only fixed wrt the box on two of its axis..the third
axis which runs along the NCP free floats ...it will not translate it must
roatate if the earth and the box have any kind of orbit tanslation or not. This
is true because there is nothing to "lock" the satilite in a translation around
the sun, it free floats in the same way the spining part of a gyroscope would
freefloats. Remember, the background stars do not move wrt the NCP/axis or in a
GU they rotate into the same exact position every 23h56m4s thus a net motion of
0 around the NCP.
--- On Sat, 10/11/08, Bernie Brauer
<bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] David Icke audio - with
hour 2
To: "Geocentrism/RealityReviewed"
<geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 3:12 PM
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